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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.butterfliesandwheels.org/2012/the-excuse-making-of-cultural-relativism/#comment-187349</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2012 14:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dirigible: Both sides have moral agency. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dirigible: Both sides have moral agency. </p>
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		<title>By: dirigible</title>
		<link>http://www.butterfliesandwheels.org/2012/the-excuse-making-of-cultural-relativism/#comment-187348</link>
		<dc:creator>dirigible</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2012 14:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Is it “cultural relativism” to ask how the tens of billions of dollars of military equipment we sell to the Saudi government is used to oppress the Saudi populace?&quot;



Yes. Because it denies the Saudis moral agency and seeks to excuse their transgressions through context.



It&#039;s also derailing. Because it seeks to ignore the long, coherent, well argued case made by the article and instead to move the debate onto ground that you feel comfortable (indeed virtuous) discussing as a white American male.



It&#039;s not all about you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Is it “cultural relativism” to ask how the tens of billions of dollars of military equipment we sell to the Saudi government is used to oppress the Saudi populace?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes. Because it denies the Saudis moral agency and seeks to excuse their transgressions through context.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also derailing. Because it seeks to ignore the long, coherent, well argued case made by the article and instead to move the debate onto ground that you feel comfortable (indeed virtuous) discussing as a white American male.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not all about you.</p>
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		<title>By: james Valentine</title>
		<link>http://www.butterfliesandwheels.org/2012/the-excuse-making-of-cultural-relativism/#comment-179262</link>
		<dc:creator>james Valentine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 07:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;



Thanks to Lauryn Oates for endorsing the brilliant article by Mona Eltahawy in &quot;Foreign Policy&#039;s first ever Sex Issue.&quot; Oates more than justifies her enthusiasm by citing powerful excerpts from Eltahawy&#039;s text. If like me and most other men, your halting progress towards understanding the wellsprings of feminist grievances; demands for reform and justice are plotted on a slow learning curve, then take the time to click on  &quot;The sex Issue&quot; underlined in the first line of Ms. Oates commentary above and then be prepared to savor a rare four page masterpiece devoid of jargon. (Yes, only four pages!) You&#039;re tired eyes will soon be pried open and you will see feminism graphically and holistically for the first time. Mona Eltahawy&#039;s bears traumatic witness to the vile treatment that the peculiar male dominated system of Islamic states, cooperating with religious, social and cultural institutions, inflict on girls and women in Arab countries ranging from the &quot;merely&quot; hateful to the sadistic and homicidal. The atrocities herein illuminated will haunt and energize you forever. 



You have only ten minutes until &quot;Dancing With The Stars?&quot; Well stay seated. You still have ample time to read those four pages. But having read them, how are you going to get out of that chair?&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
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<p>Thanks to Lauryn Oates for endorsing the brilliant article by Mona Eltahawy in &#8220;Foreign Policy&#8217;s first ever Sex Issue.&#8221; Oates more than justifies her enthusiasm by citing powerful excerpts from Eltahawy&#8217;s text. If like me and most other men, your halting progress towards understanding the wellsprings of feminist grievances; demands for reform and justice are plotted on a slow learning curve, then take the time to click on  &#8220;The sex Issue&#8221; underlined in the first line of Ms. Oates commentary above and then be prepared to savor a rare four page masterpiece devoid of jargon. (Yes, only four pages!) You&#8217;re tired eyes will soon be pried open and you will see feminism graphically and holistically for the first time. Mona Eltahawy&#8217;s bears traumatic witness to the vile treatment that the peculiar male dominated system of Islamic states, cooperating with religious, social and cultural institutions, inflict on girls and women in Arab countries ranging from the &#8220;merely&#8221; hateful to the sadistic and homicidal. The atrocities herein illuminated will haunt and energize you forever. </p>
<p>You have only ten minutes until &#8220;Dancing With The Stars?&#8221; Well stay seated. You still have ample time to read those four pages. But having read them, how are you going to get out of that chair?<em></em></p>
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		<title>By: Adele Wilde-Blavatsky: When Anti-Racism Becomes Anti-Woman: The &#8216;Privileging&#8217; of Race above Gender &#124; Country Talk Forum</title>
		<link>http://www.butterfliesandwheels.org/2012/the-excuse-making-of-cultural-relativism/#comment-176191</link>
		<dc:creator>Adele Wilde-Blavatsky: When Anti-Racism Becomes Anti-Woman: The &#8216;Privileging&#8217; of Race above Gender &#124; Country Talk Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 03:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and the politically correct face of anti-racism is ugly and dangerous. As Lauryn Oates concludes in her eloquent response to Eltahawy&#8217;s critics:  Without voices like Eltahawy&#8217;s, those of us on the outside [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and the politically correct face of anti-racism is ugly and dangerous. As Lauryn Oates concludes in her eloquent response to Eltahawy&#8217;s critics:  Without voices like Eltahawy&#8217;s, those of us on the outside [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Adele Wilde-Blavatsky: When Anti-Racism Becomes Anti-Woman: The &#8216;Privileging&#8217; of Race above Gender &#8211; All Urban Radio</title>
		<link>http://www.butterfliesandwheels.org/2012/the-excuse-making-of-cultural-relativism/#comment-176107</link>
		<dc:creator>Adele Wilde-Blavatsky: When Anti-Racism Becomes Anti-Woman: The &#8216;Privileging&#8217; of Race above Gender &#8211; All Urban Radio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 23:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and the politically correct face of anti-racism is ugly and dangerous. As Lauryn Oates concludes in her eloquent response to Eltahawy&#8217;s critics:  Without voices like Eltahawy&#8217;s, those of us on the outside [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and the politically correct face of anti-racism is ugly and dangerous. As Lauryn Oates concludes in her eloquent response to Eltahawy&#8217;s critics:  Without voices like Eltahawy&#8217;s, those of us on the outside [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article Lauryn. So glad you spotlighted this article and expanded on her arguments.  Considering the recent wave of feminists commenting on the treatment of  women in the Middle East I wonder if there is a pan-Arab Spring in the making with regards to global feminism.  So many feminists on the left (and often they are already on the left) fail to criticize Arab Culture for fear of being considered a tool of Islamaphobes and US foreign policy.  The silence of Western feminists who make a twisted justification that women choose their roles in Middle Eastern society is finally being challenged by women in the Middle East.  Thank God.  This is the time for women&#039;s liberation in the Middle East.  Feminists in the West are being told to get off their cultural relativist fence posts and I hope they listen.  We owe it to the women in the Middle East. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article Lauryn. So glad you spotlighted this article and expanded on her arguments.  Considering the recent wave of feminists commenting on the treatment of  women in the Middle East I wonder if there is a pan-Arab Spring in the making with regards to global feminism.  So many feminists on the left (and often they are already on the left) fail to criticize Arab Culture for fear of being considered a tool of Islamaphobes and US foreign policy.  The silence of Western feminists who make a twisted justification that women choose their roles in Middle Eastern society is finally being challenged by women in the Middle East.  Thank God.  This is the time for women&#8217;s liberation in the Middle East.  Feminists in the West are being told to get off their cultural relativist fence posts and I hope they listen.  We owe it to the women in the Middle East. </p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking for myself, when discussions of Iran and Saudi Arabia come up, I look to the US first for one very simple reason: I&#039;m a US citizen and a US taxpayer so my moral responsibility is primarily to keep the US government in check. Also, I find it more likely that my voice will mean something to the US government than those of Saudi Arabia or Iran. Is it &quot;cultural relativism&quot; to ask how the tens of billions of dollars of military equipment we sell to the Saudi government is used to oppress the Saudi populace? Or to question if the sanctions and (often hypocritical) international condemnations of Iran only strengthen the grip of the most conservative elements in Iran&#039;s political environment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking for myself, when discussions of Iran and Saudi Arabia come up, I look to the US first for one very simple reason: I&#8217;m a US citizen and a US taxpayer so my moral responsibility is primarily to keep the US government in check. Also, I find it more likely that my voice will mean something to the US government than those of Saudi Arabia or Iran. Is it &#8220;cultural relativism&#8221; to ask how the tens of billions of dollars of military equipment we sell to the Saudi government is used to oppress the Saudi populace? Or to question if the sanctions and (often hypocritical) international condemnations of Iran only strengthen the grip of the most conservative elements in Iran&#8217;s political environment?</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Pidcock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Pidcock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 01:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;blockquote&gt;We would suggest, as many have, that oppression is about men &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; women. The fate of women in the Arab world cannot be extracted from the fate of men in the Arab world, and vice versa. El Tahawy&#039;s article conjures an elaborate battle of the sexes where men and women are on opposing teams, rather than understanding that together men and women must fight patriarchal systems in addition to exploitative practices of capitalism, authoritarianism, colonialism, liberalism, religion, and/or secularism.&lt;/blockquote&gt;















Translation: You were being too honest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>We would suggest, as many have, that oppression is about men &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; women. The fate of women in the Arab world cannot be extracted from the fate of men in the Arab world, and vice versa. El Tahawy&#8217;s article conjures an elaborate battle of the sexes where men and women are on opposing teams, rather than understanding that together men and women must fight patriarchal systems in addition to exploitative practices of capitalism, authoritarianism, colonialism, liberalism, religion, and/or secularism.</p></blockquote>
<p>Translation: You were being too honest.</p>
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		<title>By: Read Lauryn Oates &#124; Butterflies and Wheels</title>
		<link>http://www.butterfliesandwheels.org/2012/the-excuse-making-of-cultural-relativism/#comment-174001</link>
		<dc:creator>Read Lauryn Oates &#124; Butterflies and Wheels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 00:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Do be sure to read Lauryn Oates&#8217;s new article at ur-B&amp;W. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Do be sure to read Lauryn Oates&#8217;s new article at ur-B&amp;W. [...]</p>
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