Non-metaphorical violence
There was a talk / discussion event scheduled this evening in London, Miranda Yardley and Julia Long on the meaning of gender identity. It was originally scheduled to be held at New Cross Learning, which used to be New Cross People’s Library which is a much cooler name…but yesterday NCL canceled.
At NXL Management Committee meeting of 12 Sep the decision was taken not to host the “What is Gender” event due to take place here on 13 Sep
— New Cross Learning (@newxlearning) September 12, 2017
After completing a risk assessment the Mgmt believe the potential risks 2 the library, volunteers, public & building are too great
— New Cross Learning (@newxlearning) September 12, 2017
Discussions of gender are scary things.
Tonight’s talk is going to be amazing. A quick teaser of what to expect from me:
‘gender identity’ is just thoughts and feelings. pic.twitter.com/f35KEfsemX
— Miranda Yardley (@TerrorizerMir) September 13, 2017
Someone found a new venue, so the speakers and attendees arranged to meet at Speaker’s Corner in Hyde Park and go to the (undisclosed) venue from there.
When they did, this happened:
A 60-year-old woman has just been beaten up by 4 Trans Rights activists. To smash up her camera originally, but was then set upon by at least 4 men and women who punched her and kicked her to the floor and continued. Footage out soon.
Do you think this is liberationary? Beating up a grandma. Really?
This left photo is the side of her that got punched repeatedly and you can also see her cut hand. She was also strangled as you can see round the base of her neck on the right photo.
“Activists” followed the scary feminists to the venue, tried to rush the door, and then stood outside shouting throughout the talk. The women inside were afraid to leave.
All because some people think “gender identity” is thoughts and feelings. I don’t see the need to punch women in the face for that.
These are people who want to silence anyone who disagrees with them.
Trans logic: speech we don’t like is violence; actual violence is justified.
Strange how often they describe gender identity as the equivalent of “thoughts and feelings”. Oh, but to them, these are innate and not “just” thoughts and feelings.
Why not just pick up a tiki torch and join the Trumpites? They clearly hate the same people…
Is it just me, or does the description of ‘at least four men and women sound a tad sarcastic given the context?
Miranda had her phone grabbed and stolen as well.
MTAs are just MRAs in drag.
Yes, true, and the guy stuck his nose in her face when she followed him to get it back.
#4
This is just me, but it sounds like Dirty Harry
The post actually says: ‘at least 4 men and women.’ Not ‘or.’
Probably grounds for another fatwa.
It seems to me as though thoughts and feelings are all we are.
Does it really though? Does it really seem to you that there is no physical, material component to what we are?
It feels like there’s physical stuff, yes.
That isn’t what I meant. I understand very well that people’s perceptions of bodies matter. I was trying to say that I wish they didn’t and that they needn’t.
I’m terrible at writing comments at the moment.
Sorry to be so literal-minded.
It’s sort of the core issue in this whole…cough…disagreement: whether “feeling like” a woman is the same thing as being a woman;
and whether it should be mandatory for everyone to say that it is;
and whether “feeling like” a woman even means anything;
and whether people’s internal states – their thoughts and feelings – should always be the final word on questions that are about more than people’s internal states.
Yes, I know and I agree.
And whether one person’s internal state gets to trump that of another person. Like, if a woman from birth questions the description a trans-woman gives of what it means to be a woman, why should the trans-woman be allowed the right to have the say on that? Which one of them actually knows? Does either? And if the trans-woman “feels like” a woman, but the other woman says that she feels like she is a woman, and doesn’t feel it means what the trans-woman says, why should we discount the lived experience of someone who has been living as a woman her whole life in favor of someone who has “felt like” a woman but not lived as one?
I don’t feel very coherent right now, so if that doesn’t make any sense, feel free to ignore me.
The violence just seems to be escalating and most people seem to be ignoring it. So far it seems to have been random ad hoc attacs, or at least attacs with minimal preparation, but how long until these “activists” actually plan and execute a premeditated act of violence? Or altenatively, how long until they actually kill someone in one of their righteous muggings? It’s bad enough that the social media is full of violent rhetoric towards anyone who dares to question party lines, but at least that’s still “only” intimidation. What if these people actually move from words to actions? How many people will be willing to point that out and condemn their actions? At the moment it doesn’t look like many will.
Incidentally, I did a search and found this article, which also contains video. Not fun to watch, bewarned.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/21042/watch-trans-activist-men-attack-beat-dissenting-60-amanda-prestigiacomo
This forum thread has an account from the woman who was assaulted. Not fun to read either.
https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/3033126-London-meeting-to-discuss-Gender-Identity-attacked-by-transactivists?msgid=71902137#prettyPhoto