Producers and directors
Women don’t exist any more, apparently. Only “egg producers.”
Asking egg-producers:
Have you ever been denied a sterilization procedure?
— Leah Torres, MD (@LeahNTorres) June 28, 2018
Without the question about sterilization one would think she was talking to farmers.
I give up. I’m off to bed to stay for life. It’s just not worth getting up anymore.
Each of those responses suggests that the person has at least thought about sterilization – otherwise, how would she know whether there would be obstacles or how much it would cost? Was there no-one who had simply never thought about it? Or did those people just not reply?
Maybe they’ll get their priorities straight when they start getting shipped off to “detention centers”…
Someone please tell me again why this kind of extremism caught on so well “on the Left”, and in particular in Academia? Aren’t academics supposed to be guardians of things like history, science and the meaning of words?
Worth noting here that women who want it are often denied sterilization–unless they call themselves men. Then practitioners of “gender health” will happily sterilize them and they’ll get called brave to boot.
Lady M, my mother was denied sterilization. She already had 5 children, but her doctor was Catholic. She almost died during her 6th pregnancy because this man had decided she needed no form of birth control.
My sister was denied sterilization when she was in her 20s because she was “too young”. She already had 4 children, and was deemed old enough to have the children and raise them, but not old enough to decide she didn’t want any more.
Egg producers, vagina owners, uterus owners. It’s interesting that the only language we are “allowed” to use to describe ourselves is not only dehumanizing and objectifying, but also frames our bodies, our organs, our bodily processes as comodities.
Feature, not a bug, I suspect.
I genuinely though this was about poultry farming.
Ha, I had the farmer misunderstanding once when reading a review of the book Julie & Julia. Someone was put off that she sold her eggs to pay off debt, and I was picturing someone defending the integrity of small-scale subsistence farmers or something. Then I suddenly realized what they meant (but didn’t see why they’d care).
Here the “egg producers” thing seems tongue-in-cheek, a joking way for a woman to address other women. I have not heard this term used anywhere else, so I don’t think it is a trend of any sort.
The issue is real. Women are often effectively overruled when they want to be sterilized. In the old days (before 1969) they actually had the 120 rule, where age times number of children had to be 120 for a woman to get sterilized. Now it’s less of a formal rule, but women still get told to forget it if they’re still in their 20s, etc.
No no no no no it’s not a joke, it’s not tongue-in-cheek. I have heard that and similar terms used a great deal, along with angry commands for everyone to use them. It is most definitely a trend. It’s not a joke, it’s the politics of trans allyship – we mustn’t say women because that’s not inclusive so we have to use some other term instead. Leah Torres insists on saying “pregnant people” rather than “pregnant women”…which is awkward since she’s an OB-GYN.
Skeletor, Ophelia doesn’t need me to second her on her own blog, but your take is so wrong that I wanted to emphasize her comment. Not a joke and definitely a trend.
‘Trans women’s eggs are eggs…Yes or No?’
Oh, I missed the whole trans angle.
This is the first time I’d heard “egg producers”. Traveling in different circles I guess. If Dr. Torres really did use that term to avoid offending trans men, that that is outrageous.
John the Drunkard, trans women don’t have eggs, as far as I know, so I’d have to answer “N/A”. But it’s possible I’m mistaken in some highly offensive way.
cass @4,
You have to consider how academics self-select. The kind of person who chooses to become a specialist in “trans studies” is highly likely to be a trans advocate. Much as the field of “women’s studies” is pretty much exclusively feminist. And the same is true at the sub-specialty level: maybe the better comparison is in philosophy, where although most philosophers are not theists, the majority of people in the subfield of “philosophy of religion” are.
I didn’t want to ask for evidence that this is “definitively a trend” because if it is a trend I missed it’s not other people’s jobs to educate me.
But after lots of fruitless googling (I found the term used in a functional way in older Google books mostly, and stuff like complaints women were being treated as mere egg producers), I don’t see the trend. Can someone point me to the term being used as described?
I skimmed Dr. Torres’s twitter feed, and she seems very pro-women’s-issues, so I don’t think the anti-woman angle seems true. People accused her of that in the poll, with at least one person outraged that men are never called “sperm producers”. This is funny because the tweet from Dr. Torres right before the “egg producers” poll was a poll for “sperm producers”.
Seeing them side by side makes me again think she was trying to be funny:
https://mobile.twitter.com/LeahNTorres/status/1012788451228258304
As for the trans angle, I suppose it’s possible, but skimming her feed doesn’t seem to support that.
Maybe there’s something in her history of which I’m not aware that is causing people to not give her the benefit of the doubt.
Oh gawd – it’s still not our job to educate you, Skeletor, even if you can’t find it via Google.
“Egg producers” and “sperm producers” are a matched pair. Using them can be jokey when it’s done by people who are skeptical of current trans ideology, but that’s because it’s part of current trans ideology. Leah Torres definitely defends and enforces current trans ideology (including adapting as it rapidly shifts). She makes a point of saying “pregnant people” instead of “women” as I mentioned above. She’s also a feminist, when it doesn’t conflict with being a “trans ally.”
Yes, correct, there’s something in her history of which you’re not aware that is causing people to not give her the benefit of the doubt.
UGH. The “cuz I was too young” thing creeps me out.
In the first place, any human female who wants sterilization at a “young” age should get it as long as s/he’s an adult. If a doctor refuses to sterilize an adult, that’s not “cuz she was too young,” it’s “Because some doctor said she was too young to know her own mind.”
In the second pace, “cuz” for “because” reminds me of all the 40+YO men who demand to be transitioned into and treated as if they are teenage girls.