So, what’s the problem? You could say it’s just a joke, lighten up, etc etc – but I’ll quote a few reactions from the other direction:
–This would work better if you were wearing the T-shirt. As it is, this just looks like you think the place of women in this movement is sexually servicing men. It’s a appalling message to be sending on election day when every vote counts.
–This looks like a tweet from a MRA or a red pill adherent! ‘The best place for a woman is on her knees servicing a man’. Not a good look. It should have been clearer that it was something you’d be up for.
–Owen showing us what he thinks is the role of women in a political movement. Good to have that clarified.
Etc. As for me, it reminds me of Stokely Carmichael’s notorious “The position of women in the movement is prone.”
John, I don’t see the post as a reach (once the uncropped version is there). Objectification of women is objectification of women, regardless of whether the individual tweeting it is gay, anti-royal, pro-labor, and trotskyist, or whether they are straight, pro-dictatorship, pro-management, and fascist.
The left has a long problem of double standards with women. They will apologize for and defend any exploitation of women that helps the left, while excoriating the right for exploitative issues. Sort of like atheists, who will elevate every accusation against the Catholic Church from the moment it is aired, while screaming “pics or it didn’t happen” when an atheist female (or any female) accuses a “freethought leader” of sexual impropriety.
So what if it’s in a good cause? Using this picture to support a cause is exploitation, pure and simple. No matter what the woman herself feels, it is a slap in the face to all women. She may be fine with it; that simply means she has no problem exploiting other women.
Owen Jones is also an ardent (or rabid, depending on your point of view) “critic” of women who are skeptical of the dogma around “gender identity,” and a popular columnist for the Guardian. Very popular. He’s a lefty of sorts but he somehow forgot to include feminism in his leftyism. In short, he’s a shit to women who are as lefty as he is but don’t buy into the shiny new ideology around trans people. I think it’s interesting that he chose to tweet this photo. Sorry for doing a post that you think is a reach, John.
I agree with iknklast: I don’t see this as being much better even if the woman were the only one in the picture and had tweeted it herself.
And of course the footnote is Labour got clobbered in the election, the electorate put the Conservative party firmly in charge, the complaints that Boris Johnson wasn’t legitimately elected are now moot, and Brexit is moving full steam ahead.
I guess nominating an anti-Semite and lewdly suggesting votes could be exchanged for sexual services was the wrong approach.
But they ended up electing an entire party of anti-semites and various other forms of bigotry, so I think that storyline should be put to rest. Bizarrely, I have seen the ‘Corbyn is an anti-semite’ come most strongly from UK’s conservative jews.
I don’t understand. Am I missing something?
I was wondering the same thing. The picture is cropped a bit. The T-shirt the woman is wearing says “Will suck dick for socialism.”
I don’t know who those people are. Or what FACT they represent. Or what’s going on.
But I think it has something to do with feminism and socialism. Unless it doesn’t, but should. Or something.
Oops, the image is totally cropped. It wasn’t in the editor-thingy. Sorry.
I added his tweet.
So, what’s the problem? You could say it’s just a joke, lighten up, etc etc – but I’ll quote a few reactions from the other direction:
–This would work better if you were wearing the T-shirt. As it is, this just looks like you think the place of women in this movement is sexually servicing men. It’s a appalling message to be sending on election day when every vote counts.
–This looks like a tweet from a MRA or a red pill adherent! ‘The best place for a woman is on her knees servicing a man’. Not a good look. It should have been clearer that it was something you’d be up for.
–Owen showing us what he thinks is the role of women in a political movement. Good to have that clarified.
Etc. As for me, it reminds me of Stokely Carmichael’s notorious “The position of women in the movement is prone.”
Having no prior clue who Jones IS, let alone the cropping, makes the post a reach.
So, Jones is a gay, anti-royal, laborite with a trotskyist background.
And who is it in the t-shirt and cross necklace?
What’s her opinion, or does no one care?
John, I don’t see the post as a reach (once the uncropped version is there). Objectification of women is objectification of women, regardless of whether the individual tweeting it is gay, anti-royal, pro-labor, and trotskyist, or whether they are straight, pro-dictatorship, pro-management, and fascist.
The left has a long problem of double standards with women. They will apologize for and defend any exploitation of women that helps the left, while excoriating the right for exploitative issues. Sort of like atheists, who will elevate every accusation against the Catholic Church from the moment it is aired, while screaming “pics or it didn’t happen” when an atheist female (or any female) accuses a “freethought leader” of sexual impropriety.
So what if it’s in a good cause? Using this picture to support a cause is exploitation, pure and simple. No matter what the woman herself feels, it is a slap in the face to all women. She may be fine with it; that simply means she has no problem exploiting other women.
Sorry, not buying that the post is a reach.
Owen Jones is also an ardent (or rabid, depending on your point of view) “critic” of women who are skeptical of the dogma around “gender identity,” and a popular columnist for the Guardian. Very popular. He’s a lefty of sorts but he somehow forgot to include feminism in his leftyism. In short, he’s a shit to women who are as lefty as he is but don’t buy into the shiny new ideology around trans people. I think it’s interesting that he chose to tweet this photo. Sorry for doing a post that you think is a reach, John.
I agree with iknklast: I don’t see this as being much better even if the woman were the only one in the picture and had tweeted it herself.
And of course the footnote is Labour got clobbered in the election, the electorate put the Conservative party firmly in charge, the complaints that Boris Johnson wasn’t legitimately elected are now moot, and Brexit is moving full steam ahead.
I guess nominating an anti-Semite and lewdly suggesting votes could be exchanged for sexual services was the wrong approach.
But they ended up electing an entire party of anti-semites and various other forms of bigotry, so I think that storyline should be put to rest. Bizarrely, I have seen the ‘Corbyn is an anti-semite’ come most strongly from UK’s conservative jews.