This doc thinks she’s clever
Helen Webberley is out of her depth.
Women live as women – simple – it is not about dresses, heels, pinks, or body parts. Gender identity and expression is not a costume and exclusion is not clever, it is a civil wrong.
Being a woman is not about body parts?
I think you’ll find it is, actually.
If it’s not about body parts, how do you explain all the children who keep getting born? Where do they come from? Is it a pill? An incantation? Something people smoke? A miracle?
Women don’t “live as women”; women just are women. How people live is a very large and complex subject, but talk of people “living as” women or men or goats or tulips or food processors is just that: talk. Empty talk, pretentious talk, silly talk.
This poor woman is in way over her head.
Poor Carla Denyer pulls the trap door closed on herself. She doesn’t really know how to answer the question, she says – well quite, and that’s the problem. What does it mean? What does it mean to live as a goat, a clock, a strawberry, a handful of dust?
Nothing. It doesn’t mean anything. There is pretending, which is pretty clear. There is living as if various things – as if one were healthy or ill, rich or poor, athletic or a couch potato – but living as something isn’t English idiom. It doesn’t make any sense. That’s why he asked. Her failure to think of an answer other than repeating exactly what he asked the question about is quite a pathetic display.
(We’ve seen and discussed this video before, I think, but it popped up again, and I found her irritable flailing both amusing and annoying. Plus Webberley.)
Men can try to disguise themselves as women, but it’s just that: a disguise. That puts the lie to her claim that “Gender identity and expression is not a costume.” Are you kidding me? So-called “gender identity” and “gender expression” is nothing else but a costume, a disguise, cosplay.
“Exclusion” — ie., of men from women’s spaces — isn’t “clever,” because it’s not meant to be “clever.” It’s factual and biology-based. It’s not a “civil wrong” for women to have civil rights. Go put that in your gender pipe and smoke it.
This ‘living as a woman’ idea is yet another reason why we can know that the ideology is incoherent, and that they never think about the contradictions.
It’s a requirement for gaining a GRC. They know that it’s undefined, because that’s one of the reasons they gave for wanting to switch to self-ID: the difficulty of proof of ‘living as a woman’ except by adopting sexist stereotypes of femininity. At the same time, they need to convince everyone else that it’s possible, and reasonable to believe, that a man can ‘live as a woman’ without adopting sexist stereotypes because it’s what makes him a ‘real woman’.
However, when confronted by the necessity of having a definition, they can’t give one – because there isn’t one. Hence the reciting of meaningless mantras and immediately saying “No debate!” because debate requires them to have actual reasons and arguments, and all they have is an emotional attachment to the cult.
FFS, another bloody update has apparently re-activated autocorrect. Know, not no! Now I have to search how to disable it again. Sigh.
@2 I heard Helen Joyce talk about this in an interview – in modern Western society there is literally no way to demonstrate that you’re ‘living as a woman’ except by using women’s spaces; hence the savage grip these men are holding onto them with. (That and the sexual excitement of course.)
Now they’re standing around with their fake boobs out and tape on their mouths in front of Scottish Parliament because they think it will make people agree they are women.
And they don’t see it is more likely to make people agree they are obsessed with a sexual fetish.
Someone has probably already said this, but the very phrase “living as a woman” is a tacit admission that one is faking: Women don’t live as women; that is as redundant as “biological sex”; they ARE women. Only a man can presume to “live as a woman.”
Jesus. I should have read your comments more carefully, O! lol
Not a bit of it! We have to keep saying it and saying it and saying it until it GETS THROUGH.