Woman’s Hour had a bro from Amnesty International on today to explain why it’s still fine to take women’s rights away and give them to men. That segment starts at 18:19.

We’re currently hearing different perspectives this week on the Supreme Court ruling last month that the terms “woman” and “sex” in the 2010 Equality Act refer to a biological woman and biological sex. The judgement has implications for many organizations.

Well yes, the fact that “woman” means “woman” does have implications. It always did. The claim that “woman” could also mean “man” provided he cleared the massive hurdle of saying so – that claim also had implications. Rather intrusive and annoying ones, actually.

We’re looking at the practical dilemmas the ruling creates for organizations, businesses and individuals.

Yes it’s a real dilemma, isn’t it – let men invade the women’s toilets and changing rooms, or no? Must keep everyone awake for hours ever night.

So she talks to Sasha from Amnesty International about the “impacts” of the ruling. He says trans people are “facing discrimination, facing harassment.”

We have been hearing from a number of people, trans people, who, sadly, and this has been a long-standing issue in society in the UK and around the world, are very fearful, facing discrimination, facing harassment – that was one of the reasons Amnesty put evidence in front of the Supreme Court, we work on human rights all around the world, we believe in everyone’s right to privacy, a family life, to be protected from discrimination, and wanted to make sure that the Supreme Court heard those arguments – I think the judgement in this case – it was a long judgement, it was about 30 pages or so, lots of detail, the court was quite precise about what it was making a judgement on – and indeed on things it also wanted to see, like discrimination against trans people – absolutely not allowed in the law –

Interrupting to apologize for the fact that the sentence never comes to an end, but that’s because it doesn’t. The man doesn’t speak in sentences, he speaks in one endless sentence.

absolutely not allowed in the law – perhaps some people are kind of rushing to judgement as to what exactly the judgement means, how to implement it – and I’d urge some caution because I think that’s causing a lot of fear and a lot of anxiety and even sense of threat for a lot of trans people at the moment –

Finally the presenter, tired of waiting for the sentence to end, breaks in.

What have they been saying to you?

Well – sometimes we’re hearing things actually it’s important to recognize are really important and good – so for example we’ve heard recently from a number of organizations that run refuges for people who have been affected by domestic violence we should remember that sadly trans people are very affected by domestic violence as of course are are other women.

Oops. Telling. He tripped himself up there. He can’t finish a sentence but he can talk rapidly without repeating himself – until that “are are” when he has to admit that actual women are also beaten up or killed by men. You don’t say, kid. That second “are” may be a tiny flinch of shame at the fact that he’s claiming women are also rans when it comes to domestic violence – that the usual victim, the normal victim, the expected victim, is a man pretending to be a woman.

I think I’ll take a break there. He’s irritating to listen to, let alone transcribe.