Let them speak
BBC Woman’s Hour today talked to trans “woman” Robin Moira White about the Supreme Court ruling on whatisawoman. The chat is the first in what it says will be a series of such chats. I have to wonder why the Beeb starts this series with a man who pretends to be a woman. Why is he at the head of the queue? Why not talk to women first and men last? Or indeed why talk to men at all?
So anyway, obviously I’ll have to listen to the whole annoying thing and share the worst bits.
First question – what’s his opinion on the Supreme Court ruling that woman means woman?
Well – I don’t think the Supreme Court ruling will survive a trip to the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg. … What we have is a situation now where that recognition is not effective and will need to be corrected
Nuala McGovern: But on what grounds would the court on human rights potentially overrule the judgement?
White: Well if you are a trans person that acknowledgement of your changed gender has to allow you to live appropriately and with dignity and if you go to the cinemar or the supermarket and you are forced to use facilities that are not appropriate to your gender, then firstly
Ok wait. Before we hear what happens “firstly” let’s interrogate this issue of being forced to use facilities that are not appropriate to your gender. Here’s the problem with that: if the Robin Moira Whites get to use what they consider facilities appropriate to their magic notional fictitious gender, then actual women are forced to use facilities that are NOT appropriate to their actual sex. Men in dresses win, women lose. Why should men in dresses get to win??? Why does his “appropriate” matter more than ours?
He goes on:
Your rights to privacy are compromised, and your rights to live in dignity are compromised.
See above. What about our rights to privacy and dignity, you oblivious selfish shit?
McGovern sort of hints at this little problem and they go back and forth a bit. RMW sums up:
The problem is, that it’s all very well having fundamental human rights, but if in your workplace you’re forced to go – you’ve very specifically rejected your birth gender, and now you’re forced into facilities that reflect that, that is devastating.
Slightly muddled, as live conversations can be, but he means forced into facilities that reflect that other wrong rejected gender. So anyway – it’s the same thing again. Yes, and if you’re not forced into those facilities, then women are forced to put up with you in their facilities. Why does your distress matter more than theirs? There’s one of you and more than one of them, and also, you’re a man and they’re women. Why does your distress matter more than theirs???
Cheeringly, McGovern does make this point.
I mean – there are people who would say it is devastating to have to share facilities – same sex facilities – with a biological man.
His response is frankly incoherent. The solution is additional accommodations, he drones. Yes that will work: all those “additional accommodations” will just spring into being, at no expense or inconvenience or loss of space needed for other things. That’s why this has been happening all along oh wait no it hasn’t.
Then he goes on to bleat about people being “unpleasant” by which he means calling a man a man. He sounds quite…dim. Pompous, because he has the voice for it [a male attribute by the way, and he deploys it without apparent shyness], but fatuous.
Then he calls Stephen Whittle and someone else “eminences grises” pronounced “eminence greezez”. Hahahahahasorryhahahahaha
Then McGovern asks him about calling Sex Matters “evil” and he squirms a bit and that’s the end. He has a little talent in the department of talking slowly in a gravelly voice so that he sounds thoughtful (and deeply male, to underline the point), but he wasn’t even slightly persuasive.
Here we see (yet again) the tactical conflation of “gender” with “sex”. Toilet facilities are divided by sex. Magic Gender Essence, being all immaterial, invisible and all, doesn’t need plumbing. Eliminating bodily wastes does. These are differentiated by sex. Dress how you like, but use the plumbing appropriate to your sex, as your “gender identity” has no wastes in need of disposal apart from genderist bullshit. (Which is metaphorical. Otherwise we’d be up to our armpits in reified bovine excrement.)
Nobody is born with a “gender.” You have no “birth gender”, only your sex, which was observed and noted at birth, and which, “reject” it as much as you will, you can’t change. The whole “assigned [sex] at birth” formulation appropriated from those with DSDs doesn’t work outside that specific, narrow context. Besides, being immaterial, invisible and all (see above), how could anyone tell anyone’s “birth gender”? No obstetrician, midwife, nurse or doula has the power to detect supposed “gender” at birth, only sex.
You didn’t reject your “birth gender,” you numpty. You are (falsely) denying your birth sex. The facilities you’re required to use are based on sex, not gender. You can still go on your merry gendering way as a “trans woman” (gender) while using the bathroom for men (your sex). Sex and gender are not the same thing, as you regularly scream at women, attempting to undermine women’s arguments by wrongly accusing them of the intellectual dishonesty that you practice yourself, right up until you make the equivocation that gender and sex are the same (when it’s in your favor).
Believe what you scream at us, that gender is different from sex. Therefore, when something has to do with sex, not gender, that should have no effect on your claimed gender. By definition, only a man (sex) can be a trans woman. Trans women are men. The facilities for men are perfectly adequate for men who are trans women, and men who are not. It’s about time men learned that there is more than one way to be a man; some men are trans women.
You say that using the men’s bathroom or changing room “is devastating.” How? In what way? What’s “devastating” about it? If it’s that the bubble of your fantasy is burst, why is that significant? If it’s a matter of safety, there are additional considerations: if you fear male violence, then, as between men being able to defend themselves from male violence, and women’s ability to defend themselves from male violence, the men (“trans women”) have a much greater ability to avoid or prevent harm. In terms of the harms to be reasonably in fear of, the harms to women have devastating harms that are unique to their sex, that no man will ever experience at the hands of their fellow men. If they fear male violence in the men’s bathroom, all they have to do is enlist the aid of the multitudinous black pampers army to protect them. If they were half as dedicated to making men’s bathrooms safe for all men, including trans women, as they are to making sure that women can never meet and speak together about women’s concerns, then the men’s bathrooms, locker rooms, etc., will be made safe for all men, regardless of gender, in no time.
Has anyone suggested adult diapers? I mean do your business at home, or find unisex facilities. There’s a small café that I visit and it has two single occupancy loos. One is for both, and the other is for both. It’s either occupied or it isn’t. Now there’s binary for ya! Transunoccupied hasn’t been invented yet. One could assume Schrödinger’s toilet I suppose… Or as my mom used to say, “hold it.”