Author: Ophelia Benson

  • He’s just making it worse

    He just doesn’t get it.

    Part of the “burden and the privilege of being the Church” in the UK meant, Dr Williams said, the clergy needed “some coherent voice on behalf of all the faith communities living here”…The relationship between law and religion was a subject on which “Christians and people of other faiths ought to be doing some reflecting together”, he added.

    No it isn’t, because there shouldn’t be any such relationship, for reasons which the Archbish himself mentions in the speech – without, of course, perceiving them as reasons.

    [A]s any Muslim commentator will insist, what is in view is the eternal and absolute will of God for the universe and for its human inhabitants in particular…[S]haria depends for its legitimacy not on any human decision, not on votes or preferences, but on the conviction that it represents the mind of God…To recognise sharia is to recognise a method of jurisprudence governed by revealed texts rather than a single system…There is a recognition that our social identities are not constituted by one exclusive set of relations or mode of belonging – even if one of those sets is regarded as relating to the most fundamental and non-negotiable level of reality, as established by a ‘covenant’ between the divine and the human.

    Religion is about what believers consider the eternal and absolute will of God for the universe and for its human inhabitants, without having any reliable way of knowing that, or testing it, or falsifying it. It’s eternal and absolute, yet humans know nothing whatever about it – yet they claim that they do. This is an abysmal epistemic situation from which to make laws. That is why Arch should shut up about the relationship between law and religion, because there shouldn’t be one. Humans can’t make decent laws by ‘relating to the most fundamental and non-negotiable level of reality, as established by a ‘covenant’ between the divine and the human’ – because there is no such covenant, or if there is, it’s odd that we have no real evidence of it (no, a very old story does not count as evidence). The archbishop comes right out and admits that his side of the aisle deals in the non-negotiable, and yet he wants the rest of us to let his crowd help shape the law. Forget it. The combination of the unknown-unknowable and the non-negotiable is poisonous. That’s why law should be secular; that’s why theocracies are nightmare places; it’s appalling that Rowan Williams doesn’t get that.

  • There is nothing woolly-liberal about communitarianism

    Matthew Parris considers the archbishop dangerous.

    It is not useful, it is not even interesting, to begin an argument on whether Sharia should be given some kind of status within British law, unless you think there are otherwise potential conflicts…Unless, therefore, Dr Williams is proposing that elements of Sharia should be tolerated even though they appear to conflict with the general law, he is saying nothing interesting. They do conflict. And what happens when they do? The moment a private law appears to defy the general law, one question, and one alone, becomes central. It is the question of consent…Of group members, of course – and first – we must ask: is consent real, unanimous, complete? Is there duress? Is there undue influence? How about children? Who truly speaks for the group? What opportunities are offered to opt out?

    And boy did the archbishop skate gracefully over that.

    A religion, properly understood, makes profound claims on an individual and community, quite unlike the demands of a golf club. It involves the…subordination of the individual’s will; and may demand that he subordinate his spouse’s and children’s wills too. Hence our unease about duress, and the completeness of “consent”. Dr Williams, in a welter of words, makes no serious attempt to resolve this. Those who read his speech properly will see that his entire argument turns upon the freedom of the group member to “opt out” of the “supplementary jurisdiction” and choose British law instead. But repressive faith groups make it culturally difficult – sometimes well-nigh impossible – for a member to opt out.

    Pre-cisely. He pretended he was taking consent into account without actually doing so. He simply waved at it as he skated past, he didn’t engage with it.

    As Parris points out, this is not progressive or pc gone mad, it’s profoundly conservative.

    Dr Williams’s ideas really represent the wilder fringes of a bigger idea: communitarianism. Communitarianism can come in a surplice, a yarmulka or from a minaret and is all the more dangerous because armed with a divine rather than a local loyalty. It almost always proves a repressive and reactionary force, fearful of competitors, often anti-science, sometimes sceptical of knowledge itself, and grudging towards the State. There is absolutely nothing “left-wing” or woolly-liberal about empowering it. A Britain in which Muslim communities policed themselves would be more ruthlessly policed, and probably more law-abiding than today. But it would be a Britain in which the individual Muslim – maybe female, maybe ambitious, maybe gay, maybe a religious doubter – would lose their chances of rescue from his or her family or community by the State.

    A hell on earth, in short.

  • Matthew Parris Says the Archbish is Dangerous

    Is consent real, unanimous, complete? Is there duress? Is there undue influence?

  • The Archbishop Clarifies

    Christians cannot claim exceptions from a secular unitary system if they are not willing to accommodate other religious consciences.

  • Blogging Darwin

    Every single week, we at Nature publish new research that reinforces and further enlightens the Origin.

  • Nick Cohen on Silencing With Libel Laws

    Rich organisations and people can use British courts to suppress the freedom democratic societies rely on.

  • Catherine Bennett on the Archbishop’s Miracle

    His challenge to equality under the law was so comically extreme that it clarified the issues handily.

  • Ruth Gledhill on What the Archbish Wants

    Be sure to read the para just below the YouTube links. Then tear your hair.

  • BBC Explains: Sharia is Not So Bad

    Some people have concerns, but it’s all a mistake really. Sharia is quite nice. Cheer up.

  • Archbishop Under Pressure to Quit

    He is said to be shocked and hurt by the hostility his comments have provoked.

  • Riazat Butt on Settling Marital Disputes

    A woman wanting divorce usually needs the consent of her husband. Men have the right of unilateral divorce.

  • Andrew Brown on Unwilling Martyrs

    There are people at Lambeth Palace who could have told Williams; some did, but he thought he knew better.

  • Yasmin Alibhai-Brown on Archy’s Idea

    He is naive to the point of folly if he imagines it is possible to pick and choose the bits that are relatively nice to the girls.

  • When Yasmin met Archy

    Yasmin A-B explains what Archy doesn’t get. Too bad he didn’t ask her before he jotted down the speech.

    What Rowan Williams wishes upon us is an abomination…He would not want his own girls and women, I am sure, to “choose” to be governed by these laws he breezily endorses. And he is naive to the point of folly if he imagines it is possible to pick and choose the bits that are relatively nice to the girls…Look around the Islamic world where sharia rules and, in every single country, these ordinances reduce our human value to less than half that is accorded a male; homosexuals are imprisoned or killed, children have no free voice or autonomy, authoritarianism rules and infantilises populations.

    Apart from that, it was quite a good idea. Or maybe not.

    There is no agreed body of sharia, it is all drafted by males and the most cruel is now claiming absolute authority…The morality police hound women and girls, beat them up, imprison them for showing an ankle, walking too provocatively or singing in the streets. They fight back but are ground down eventually…Go to Afghanistan if you fancy a 12-year-old bride – a practice approved by the mullahs. That’s sharia for you. Many women, gay men and dissidents came to Britain to escape Islamic tyrants and their laws.

    Only to encounter Rowan Williams. What an unpleasant surprise.

    No women are allowed to be imams or serious jurists, so cannot help make their own fair and free set of female-friendly sharia. All the systems insist on ultimate truths, hard certainties.

    Which the Archbishop himself points out several times in his speech (I’ve read the whole thing now) but without being dissuaded from his absurd idea. But then of course he’s part of a system of ultimate truths himself.

    Taj Hargey, a historian and Islamic theologian, runs the Muslim Education Centre in Oxford. He, with me, is a trustee of British Muslims For Secular Democracy which is attempting to educate Muslims out of authorised obscurantism…He is incandescent that Dr Williams backs a perilous Islamic conservatism, already too powerful in Britain.

    Well the thing about that is that Archy isn’t all that keen on secular democracy. He thinks it ought to ‘overlap’ with the theocratic kind.

  • Andrew Brown is Optimistic

    He likes ‘the archbishop’s vision of a kinder, more feminist, sharia.’ Meanwhile, back on planet earth…

  • Sharia in Ontario, Almost

    Homa Arjomand argued that the recommendations would push back Canadian law by 1,400 years.

  • BBC Claims ‘Mixed Reaction’ to Archbishop

    Then scrapes bottom of barrel to find enough people in favour to justify claim.

  • The Archbishop’s Lecture in full

    Dr Williams has been reading Tariq Ramadan.

  • Bishop Fumes at Reception of Sharia Idea

    ‘I believe he was standing up for the different faith communities.’ We know; that’s the problem.

  • Peter Tatchell Urges Mercy to Qaradawi

    He wants to come to UK for medical treatment; let him. Perhaps a gay Israeli Jew will save him.