Whatcha gonna do when they come for you
Is it men’s turn now?
Awwww look at that poor sweet sad little girl sitting holding her knees and trying not to cry because 98% of straight men are unwilling to date her. (She looks way too little to be dating anyone, at only 6 or 7, but whatever.) How could straight men be so mean that they make her mouth turn down and her eyes close – look at her sitting there all alone instead of “dating” (they really mean fucking) a nice straight man.
(Wait, if the sweet little girl wants a straight man, why aren’t straight men allowed to want whatever it is they want? Straight women, women over the age of 7, women with the usual plumbing? Why is the sweet little girl holding out for a straight man? Isn’t a trans woman good enough for her? Is she a TRANSPHOBE??)
So anyway Trans Rights Campaign says THIS HAS TO CHANGE. Meaning – straight men have to stop having sexual preferences? If that’s what has to change, what are they proposing? Camps? Re-education? Torture? Shock treatment? Persecution? Firings? Prison?
Whatever it is, I don’t suppose straight men will put up with it. I wonder if then they will see what we’ve been getting at.
I wonder if these surveys ever ask gay men (or straight women, for that matter) if they would “date” a TiM. I suspect not. I am of the impression that they only care about sexual relationships that would validate the TiM’s declaration of womanhood.
I don’t care for the euphemistic use of “date”, here, either. They aren’t asking if people would go out to dinner and a movie.
This image smells a bit of satire to me.
Poe’s Law is a hell of a thing, though ..,
I think this is a hoax. There is no organization called “Trans Rights Campaign”. And the trans activism of the Human Rights Campaign doesn’t endorse or feature this anywhere.
Heh. Poe’s law indeed. It’s not our fault that such a thing is sadly credible.
Maybe it’s a hoax, maybe it’s not. It seems like a logical extension of the ‘lesbians should date trans-women’ argument, but then again TRA’s aren’t know for their logic and up until know have carefully avoided taking on men, patriarchy or any establishment structure. In fact, applying logic and taking on men’s rights/privilege would be most unlike them.
As for their being no organisation called Trans Rights Campaign. Meh. In this day and age the most important and impressive of ‘organisations’ can be nothing more than one individual sitting in front of their laptop.
The study was obviously done by someone who buys into the trans ideology:
https://www.them.us/story/cis-trans-dating
Not surprisingly at all. “Stated sexual orientation”, not “stated gender orientation”, whatever that might mean if coherent.
The study itself is here:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0265407518779139?journalCode=spra
In short, Sackbut, straight women and gay men will date someone with male genitalia; straight men and lesbians will date someone with female genitalia. And the researcher was surprised? What do they actually think straight people and gay people want? People who wear the right clothes? Or who “feel like” whatever?
Some of these people have a very limited knowledge of reality.
As you say, Sackbut, those results aren’t really that surprising when translated into English. It doesn’t sound half as surprising when put as of the 127 participants open to dating trans people, almost half would date trans people whose sex was congruent with the participants’ sexual orientation.
50% of the straight women and 28% of the gay men were willing to date men who identified as women, presumably because those straight women and gay men do not believe that transwomen are really women. Clearly, 50% of the straight men and 69% (really? 69? Methinks somebody’s having a laugh here) of the lesbians also don’t believe in the magic that says identifying as x is the same as being x. Does that make all of the above transphobes?
I haven’t read the study yet, but I may do later because I am intrigued as to how many straight women said they were willing to date transmen; ditto for straight men and transwomen, gay men and transmen, and lesbians and transwomen. I’m also interested in whether the claimed sexual orientation of the transpeople has any bearing on their percieved dateability, or even if the participants were asked to select from, for example, ‘straight’ or ‘lesbian’ transwomen.
Well, This isn’t just about women‘s genital preferences, and neither is this, so I’m gonna say the whole “suck that ladydick” thing is aimed at both lesbians and straight men.
There was also this bit on a BBC documentary that was clearly trying to shame straight for not being able to “get over” straight guys’ not wanting to play the beast with two backs and two dicks.
What appears to be an omission in the study is that they asked people about dating “non-binary” or “genderqueer” people, and they didn’t specify the sex of those people. It makes a difference, folks! The survey asked about gender identity. I am certain that there would be different answers in regard to male “non-binary” or female “non-binary” people.
The bio of the person who tweeted this “educational poster” includes #istandwithjkrowling, and in the replies, this.
@Acolyte of Sagan
Apparently a lot of butch lesbians are “coming out” as transgender men, including ones who had been established members of lesbian communities. If lesbians were already familiar with them and had considered them potentially date-able, my guess is they’re more likely to have a specific person in mind when answering the general question.
Ok, I just reread the A of S quote and realized that it was the exact figure, and not the statistical proportion, that was suspect. I need more coffee.
Even if this specific image isn’t an authentic product of a trans activist group, it’s still of value because, carrying the ideology to its logical conclusion, this is exactly what it implies. And I’ve seen occasional claim by trans activists on YouTube that anyone (lesbian or straight male) who won’t date a trans “woman” is acting out of bigotry and needs to “correct” their preferences.
Most straight men would find that idea more ridiculous than intimidating, but it should indeed make it easier to “see what we’ve been getting at”.
I only skimmed the paper but it seems that the authors are confused. That’s because their “expectations” were based on candy floss. They made assumptions with absolutely no evidence to support those expectations except a general wooly feeling about societal acceptance of trans identities.
The comparison with acceptance of interracial and same-sex relationships is gross. These groups had to fight to have their choices recognized and institutionally certified (marriage is, after all, a contract). And certainly, internalized homophobia and racism continues to dog society. But the fight for recognition is not at all the same as a “fight” to be considered dating partners.
This is a cri de coeur that nobody wants to date trans women. That’s not about transphobia, it’s about striding around demanding people (mostly women) fuck them and telling everyone that not doing so is bigotry.