Rights azza
Jenny Maguire: If my rights as a trans woman can be removed in an instant, what does that mean for yours?
Well what are your “rights as a trans woman”?
You mean your “rights” to be in women’s spaces and take jobs set aside for women and play in women’s sports? That kind of “right”?
Well, kid, if those “rights” that aren’t rights are removed then they are restored to women, and I’m a woman, not the pretend kind, so that’s what that means for mine.
That’s not what you mean though. You think you have a right to take what belongs to women. Well guess what: you don’t. It doesn’t matter how cute you look when you dress up as a woman: you still don’t get to take our stuff.
Maguire is angry about the ruling.
Just under two weeks ago the UK Supreme Court ruled that all references to women under Britain’s Equality Act are to be interpreted as meaning “biological women”.
Gosh really? The UK Supreme Court ruled that “women” means women. Shocker!
The British Transport Police updated its policy to have male officers strip-search people like me if we are arrested. The rhetoric around the ruling has thus given a social licence to transphobia.
People like you? Oh you mean men! Yes, if the police arrest you and need to strip-search you, it should be a male cop who does the searching. Your fantasies about women in police uniform searching you will have to remain fantasies. Big deal.
If trans women like me cannot use women’s bathrooms, they aren’t just going to start using the men’s. They will just stay at home. This is backed by research, with major impacts being found on trans people’s employment, education and social lives.
So stay at home then. Nobody cares. Threatening us with it is like a toddler vowing never to eat again, aka a tantrum. Women’s lives matter just as much as yours does, so you don’t get to use your rage at being told “no” as a tool to get your own way.
If the law is used to remove trans people from bathrooms, changing facilities, or to access crisis services, then the law is not about reform. It is about the removal of trans people from public life. When minority groups are pushed to the margins, the harm done to them can go more unnoticed.
Men are not a minority group. Men are not a subordinate group. It’s not pushing anyone to the margins to say “you can’t use the women’s changing facilities, because you’re not a woman.”
During the abortion referendum campaign, a key talking point was the number of people who had to face the perilous journey of travelling to access abortion.
Ahhh look at you, saying “people” when you mean women. Trans doctrine is so interesting – we have to call men “women” and we have to refer to women as “people” – because men pretending to be women like it that way.
Then we reach peak stupid.
I am a woman. A trans woman. Like how my mam is a blonde woman. Or how Margaret Thatcher is a dead woman. None of these descriptors negate the word that comes after it.
Except that that one descriptor of course does – because “trans” woman does indeed mean not a real woman.
Fake woman.
Ersatz woman.
Pretend woman.
Wannabe woman.
Non-woman.
All of those are descriptors which entail not being a woman. Get your analogies right, “Jenny”.
That pretence was the reason for the switch from ‘transwoman’ to ‘trans woman’, which I seem to recall happened at about the same time that they started with the ‘cis’ modifier. The single word clearly denotes one thing presenting as another, as with transvestite and transsexual, whereas ‘trans woman’ and ‘cis woman’ are intended to appear as nothing more than two varieties of the same thing.
So instead, women should stay home because they have no place else to feel safe…which is a bummer, since a lot of women don’t feel safe (and aren’t safe) at home, either.
Somehow I think women staying home is going to have a bigger impact on more people, on the economy, on the quality of everyone’s lives, etc. So from a strictly Bentham point of view, transwomen should be the ones to just stay home.
From the standpoint of individual rights, women lose rights when men gain privileges, and the privilege of being seen by everyone else the way you see yourself is just that, a privilege, not a right.
Maybe revert to the old terms transsexual, transgender or crossdresser. They all mean generally the same thing. Leaving the word woman out of it would solve some problems — like requiring the definition of woman, ridiculously and unnecessarily, to be legislated for in the first place.
Actually, before they created the “Transgender” umbrella, they all strongly agreed that ‘transsexual’, ‘drag queen’, ‘transvestite’ and ‘cross-dresser’ were, in fact, different categories, and referring to one of them with the other terms was insulting.
As for the bit about ‘staying home’… Instead of doing that you dipshits, start a public campaign for single-use toilets in public accommodations. Small water closets with the usual amenities, and a full-size door at the front, rather than the peepers’ paradise that is the modern public toilet. Put the sinks in a common area to save some of the space lost. In places too small for such remodels, add one or two general-use water closets instead, with a unisex designation (a lot of places already have one, for families).
What I’m seeing about the single-use toilets is a lot of objections that women don’t like them because men pee on the seats. I gotta say I don’t see them that way at all. If the seat is splashed wipe it off with a paper towel. Use soap if it’s gross. The advantages far outweigh the pee splashes.
That’s what I was going for, something as insulting as “cis” or “terf.” They don’t get to make the rules. Women impersonators are what they are. I don’t care about nuance in this case. They’ve been nasty enough.
“men pee on the seats”
I like the existence of urinals because they are far more sanitary for stand up urination. I get a bit annoyed at other men who stand up to pee in the toilet if there is a urinal available, especially if I need to do a sit down job.
I usually wipe the seat before sitting on the toilet because I don’t trust other men to have raised the seat before doing a stand up urination.
I think sinks in a common place is a potential problem if there is still a door separating the ‘toilets’ from the rest of the building. I’m not a woman, but I’m led to believe that there is sometimes a bit of commingling outside the cubicles and the presence of men might not be appreciated? The door creates a possible unsafe space for a solitary woman to be alone with a man/men.
bascule no closed door to the sink area… from the studies I’ve seen the safest layout for everyone, and the one generally preferre by lost people, would be individual stalls with full, locking doors, accessed through a short maze-like entry from the general buildin (concealing the stalls from direct view but not creating an enclosed space). If sinks cannot be in each stall for practical reasons then yes a common sink area is generally acceptable, provided it is entered through an open maze-like entry without a closing door.
ibbica, I’m not sure that works, either. I have seen women changing in the common area, and that will no longer be able to happen if there are men there. The stalls are usually too cramped to change, though I’ve done it because I won’t undress in front of anyone. I think ultimately the answer is simply to tell men they can’t go in the women’s spaces, because any compromise is going to only lead to further demands.
I’ve certainly been in situations where I’ve had to rinse period blood out of clothing, or even just take my top off to rinse it out because I’ve spilled something on it. A mixed-sex sink area would have made this challenging.
I’ve got a solution for this, and it’s so effective it’s hard to see why it’s not already in place.
Buck up, Buttercup. Take all that swaggering advice you gave to the ladies worried about encountering non-passing trans-identified males in their bathrooms and use it yourself. Be stunning and brave and take your resilient adult self and walk into the Men’s, do your business, and walk out. You just want to pee; they just want to pee. Reports from men are that male bathrooms are not social clanfests but furtive business meetings with little to no eye contact. This isn’t junior high; they don’t care.
There is no ironclad rule or discovery that says people with gender dysphoria can’t adjust to circumstances. It won’t really break them. They need to stop agreeing with each other that they can’t possibly do it and do it.
Adding further evidence to the idea that trans identity is a mental health issue. If a person cannot abide their own sex such that they cannot function in ordinary life, they are not healthy.