Not surprising

The Guardian tells us:

Transgender people in England are much more likely to have a long-term mental health condition, the first study of its kind shows, with some facing a risk five times higher than cisgender people.

The research, led by the University of Manchester in collaboration with the Proud Trust and LGBT Foundation, was published in the Lancet Public Health journal.

“Trans, non-binary and gender-diverse people across England face widespread discrimination, leading to stressful social interactions and feelings of unacceptance, increasing the risk of poor mental health,” said Dr Luke Munford, a senior lecturer in health economics at Manchester and co-author of the paper.

Or maybe it’s the other way around? Maybe it’s bad mental health that caused them to try to be the opposite sex?

The survey questions did not record when their mental health condition developed. Munford said the researchers could therefore not rule out the possibility that the mental health condition predated the change of their gender identity.

Ah. Well then it’s not much use as a survey, is it.

Alongside investigating the frequency of mental health conditions, the researchers looked at how well people’s mental health needs were met at GP appointments. Those with a gender identity other than cisgender male or cisgender female were more likely to report unmet needs at their last consultation.

But there again – who is deciding what these “mental health needs” are? Maybe those with a specialty “gender identity” are reporting “unmet needs” that their GP considers delusions as opposed to needs.

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9 responses to “Not surprising”

  1. Your Name's not Bruce? Avatar
    Your Name’s not Bruce?

    The survey questions did not record when their mental health condition developed. Munford said the researchers could therefore not rule out the possibility that the mental health condition predated the change of their gender identity.

    Ah. Well then it’s not much use as a survey, is it.

    Studiously avoided asking when the mental health condition developed likely. Whoever designed the study* didn’t want to know, didn’t want to possibly confirm that mental health issues predated “transness.” They’d rather be able to continue implying that trans “oppression” and “marginalization” by society results in psychological problems, letting them bludgeon the rest of us into “affirming” and “validating” the impossible. Just more emotional blackmail.

    But wait, there’s more!

    The researchers noted limitations to their study. They included the fact that pooling data from two years could mean some participants were re-sampled “leading to biased estimates”, and that the clinical language in the survey and a reliance on self-reporting might have influenced which patients reported a mental health condition.

    Biased in which direction? As they decline to say here, I’m going to guess it’s going to inflate their figures, because if it didn’t they’d be saying “that things are worse than the numbers suggest, which would have better suited the conclusions that they probably went in with.

    *Should be sacked. The study should have been vetted by outside experts before being administered if

  2. iknklast Avatar

    Perhaps people who identify as trans are self-reporting more mental health issues because they think they are supposed to have mental health issues because society is so mean to them.

    I am not suggesting they are lying about being depressed; I just think that the entire trans narrative would increase rather than decrease feelings of depression. The much-vaunted ‘support’ they receive from their ‘community’ could actually be exacerbating an underlying, previously present but undiagnosed mental health issue.

    If you google the symptoms of a mental health disorder (as a lot of people do with symptoms of nearly anything), you are likely to turn up trans sites quickly. You will likely ‘feel the love’ from the trans and their allies sending empathetic vibes your way. Someone not gender dysphoric could be convinced their problem was being born in the wrong body, and that is what has been causing their mental health issues.

    When you are feeling bad, it’s wise to remember that Google is not a doctor, and has no medical credentials. People on Google may likely lie about their medical credentials, unless you can verify their background. If you don’t feel well, GO TO THE DOCTOR. Tell them, truthfully, what you are feeling.

    If that seems simplistic, I suppose it is, but at least it’s a start. It doesn’t seem like most of the trans identified are people unable to afford a doctor, since they are getting soaked by the doctors cashing in on the trans trend.

  3. Steven Avatar

    Ah. Well then it’s not much use as a survey, is it.

    It is of use.

    It shows that there is some connection between transgender and mental health conditions. It gives grounds for more investigation (perhaps with more carefully designed surveys) to understand that connection, and to address questions like whether it is a causal connection, and if so, which direction the causation runs.

  4. Your Name's not Bruce? Avatar
    Your Name’s not Bruce?

    Perhaps people who identify as trans are self-reporting more mental health issues because they think they are supposed to have mental health issues because society is so mean to them.

    The movement itself uses/offers/suggests suicidal ideation as a bargaining chip or threat to “access” “gender affirming care.”

    The much-vaunted ‘support’ they receive from their ‘community’ could actually be exacerbating an underlying, previously present but undiagnosed mental health issue.

    This “study” is another failure to offer real support. They seem to have squandered an opportunity to find out what is really happening* (underlying mental health issues possibly leading to claims of “transness”) in favour of having more ammunition to use in demanding “validation” (transness leading to mental health issues because all those nasty cis people are Big Meanies). The researchers have avoided an unwelcome answer by refusing to ask the question that would have elicited it. Surely having more certainty would better serve the actual needs of dysphoric people? But no, these researchers decided they would prefer to keep the uncertainty, because being able to insinuate that the mental health issues they pretend to be so keen on investigating are the result of social backlash against trans people fits in much better with their political agenda.

    *Not that “reality” has ever been their strong suit.

  5. Sackbut Avatar

    Possibly related: Yesterday I came across an NIH study from ten years ago, “The frequency of personality disorders in patients with gender identity disorder“. I suppose you can tell it’s from before 2015 because of the use of “gender identity disorder” and because of the results, which are summarized in the abstract:

    Results: The frequency of personality disorders was 81.4%. The most frequent personality disorder was narcissistic personality disorder (57.1%) and the least was borderline personality disorder. The average number of diagnoses was 3.00 per patient.

  6. Francis Boyle Avatar
    Francis Boyle

    @iknklast

    Being in a constant state of unexamined rage about supposed insults is not known to be conducive to mental health.

  7. Your Name's not Bruce? Avatar
    Your Name’s not Bruce?

    Yesterday I came across an NIH study from ten years ago, “The frequency of personality disorders in patients with gender identity disorder“.

    The current study does not list this amongst its references. Not surprising given the former’s use of “gender identity disorder.” Mustn’t rock the boat; rather than being an indicator of reality-denying mental health issues, “gender identity” is to be stroked, and coddled, and taken as an unquestioned given;

    Adopting inclusive language and increasing visibility of positive attitudes within health care settings could help reduce minority stress, potentially improving mental health outcomes for transgender, non-binary, and gender diverse patients.11, 26 Similarly, electronic health care record systems need reforming to allow standardised recording of transgender, non-binary, and diverse identities that prioritises patient wellbeing and safety. For example, inclusive recording of gender (rather than biological sex) alongside anatomical inventories would ensure accurate biological records with all patients appropriately invited for preventative screening, and would also be inclusive of intersex patients’ health needs.30 Such mechanisms would also affirm and validate patients’ gender identities, and reduce the psychological burden associated with repeated explaining or being misgendered, again reducing minority stress and potentially improving mental health.11, 31 More broadly, improving legal and social recognition of gender diversity in England could help reduce mental health inequalities, with a recent study from the USA finding that having gender-concordant identification documents was associated with reduced measures of psychological distress among transgender people.32

    I seem to recall “anatomical inventories” being mentioned on B&W not that long ago.

  8. Lady Mondegreen Avatar
    Lady Mondegreen

    Sackbut, that’s not an NHS study; it’s from the University of Medical Sciences in Iran.

  9. Sackbut Avatar

    Ah, so it is. I assumed that NIH publishing it meant it was an NIH study. Thanks.