Just redefine women, that’s all

Oh they’re not asking for much, only everything.

https://twitter.com/LGBTLD/status/1929120210713231745

See it? “Codify trans-inclusive meanings of ‘man’ and ‘woman’ in law” – thus obliterating women’s rights.

That’s “doing better” is it? I would hate to see what doing worse would look like.

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8 responses to “Just redefine women, that’s all”

  1. Rev David Brindley Avatar
    Rev David Brindley

    How can anyone “scrap the ban on puberty blockers” at the same time as they “scrap plans for chemical castration” when in both cases it is the same drug?

    “Ensure same sex access to IVF treatment” is going to work out so well for the gay couples, isn’t it?

    And finally, “scrap the spousal veto” so that women have even less power.

  2. Your Name's not Bruce? Avatar
    Your Name’s not Bruce?

    “Recognize non-binary, agender, and intersex (sic) folks”.

    One of these three things is an offensive term for a suite of very specific medical conditions, particular to one sex or the other (Disorders of Sexual Development, or DSD), while the other two are incoherent, luxury identities that conflict with the “usual” gender identities. These two posit that one can be either a) neither of the Big Two, or b) no gender at all. Neither of these “gender identities” is aligned with the sex that one is not. (Where this leaves all the rest of the 70+ other purported “identities is anyone’s guess.) DSDs have nothing whatsoever to do with supposed “gender identity”, but are appropriated (under the inaccurate “intersex” label) solely in order to help bolster the twin lies of sex being a “spectrum”, and humans being able to change sex.

    The beauty of all of this is that they don’t care if it is self-contradictory, and makes no sense, so long as the clout of the cobbled together “trans umbrella” gives them what they want, which is the power to allow men to take over women’s spaces. If this was a movement driven and controlled by female desires rather than male ones, it would have gotten precisely nowhere.

  3. Rob Avatar

    What do they mean by abolishing the spousal veto? I’m missing something.

  4. Rev David Brindley Avatar
    Rev David Brindley

    Rob, that’s where one parent, usually the sane one, objects to having a child subjected to unnecessary medical interventions and can stop any “treatment”.

  5. Your Name's not Bruce? Avatar
    Your Name’s not Bruce?

    My understanding is that the “spousal veto” is about the legal position and rights of a transitioning person’s spouse, not anything to do with children. Here’s what A woman’s Place UK had to say about it in 2019:

    WHAT IS ‘SPOUSAL CONSENT’ AS OUTLINED IN THE MARRIAGE (SAME SEX COUPLES) ACT 2013?

    The Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act 2013, Schedule 5 and the Marriage and Civil Partnership Act 2014 (Scotland) Schedule 2 requires a married trans person, in a pre-existing marriage to provide evidence with their application for a Gender Recognition certificate that their:

    “spouse consents to the marriage continuing after the issue of a full gender recognition certificate.”

    The Acts are clear that ‘Spousal Consent’ is simply that the spouse consent to their marriage continuing.

    CAN A SPOUSE VETO A GENDER RECOGNITION CERTIFICATE?

    No. The legislation is also clear that a spouse cannot veto an application for a Gender Recognition certificate.

    WHAT IS ‘SPOUSAL CONSENT’ AS OUTLINED IN THE MARRIAGE (SAME SEX COUPLES) ACT 2013?

    The Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act 2013, Schedule 5 and the Marriage and Civil Partnership Act 2014 (Scotland) Schedule 2 requires a married trans person, in a pre-existing marriage to provide evidence with their application for a Gender Recognition certificate that their:

    “spouse consents to the marriage continuing after the issue of a full gender recognition certificate.”

    The Acts are clear that ‘Spousal Consent’ is simply that the spouse consent to their marriage continuing.

    CAN A SPOUSE VETO A GENDER RECOGNITION CERTIFICATE?

    No. The legislation is also clear that a spouse cannot veto an application for a Gender Recognition certificate.

    Spousal Consent and the Liberal Democrats

    Liberal Democrats have announced (and more recently Labour) that they support the removal of spousal consent (“spousal veto”) which is currently required when one person in a marriage wishes to transition to a different “legal sex” and remain married. This provision means the spouse must give their consent for their marriage to continue before gender recognition is awarded.

    Spousal consent is detailed in schedule 5 of the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act 2013.

    It is our view that it is incorrect to call the requirement for spousal consent a “veto”. This language is a barrier to clarity, and implies that the non-transitioning spouse can veto their partner’s transition. This is not the case. This position is shared by Prof Stephen Whittle of Press For Change. You can read more here.

    In our submission to the GRA WESC consultation, and the Conservative Government’s GRA Consultation we supported the retention of the “spousal veto” as it provides a degree of protection to the spouse. We said:

    This situation largely affects the female spouse of late transitioning males. If spousal consent is removed, they will potentially be trapped in marriages utterly changed from that which they entered.

    For some, divorce may be a straightforward solution to this situation but laws must take account of the needs of everyone, including those from religious communities where divorce may not be an acceptable or desirable option and could lead to being outcast from a community.

    For some women it simply may not be financially viable to seek a divorce.

    Therefore, a veto must always be an option for the non-transitioning spouse. WPUK

    https://womansplaceuk.org/2019/09/21/spousal-consent-and-the-liberal-democrats/

  6. maddog1129 Avatar

    Codify trans-inclusive meanings of ‘man’ and ‘woman’ in law, as originally intended.

    Well, that’s a damn lie. That’s precisely what was not “originally intended,” as the UK Supreme Court took great pains to explain in its recent ruling.

    Always with the lies. The entire T enterprise is lies based on lies, wrapped up in lies.

  7. Bjarte Foshaug Avatar
    Bjarte Foshaug

    These two posit that one can be either a) neither of the Big Two, or b) no gender at all.

    All perfectly true, of course. I’d say “agender” is as close to an accurate term for what the rest of us are as Genderspeak allows. Of course that’s still not very accurate, since even “agender” is supposed to be an “identity” (*shudder*) and presupposes that “gender” is indeed a valid concept that really does apply to almost everybody else. It’s roughly analogous to how the idea of being “clear” of “body thetans”, even if technically true (since there’s no such thing as “body thetans”), hardly makes sense outside the ontological framework of Scientology.

    Still I think it’s fair to say that every other label in the Genderspeak dictionary is even less applicable. I always cringe when supposedly “gender critical” people accept the “cis” label with all its implicit ideological baggage. As I keep saying, “cis woman” does not mean the same as “adult human female” (once again, referring to adult human females, as an identifiable group in its own right, in Genderspeak is no more possible than referring to political or intellectual freedom in Newspeak). A “cis woman” in Genderspeak is someone who thinks / feels / identifies / “presents” etc. in the same ways as “Lia” Thomas, “Veronica” Ivy, “India” Willoughby, “Jolyon” Maugham, Eddie Izzard etc.* while “assigned female at birth”**. Biological sex has nothing to do with it. Once again, if trans women are women, they are the only “women”. If trans men are men, then I am not.

    * Of course by now there is probably no shortage of women out there who are so heavily invested in Gender Ideology that they would gladly identify as walking inflatable dolls if that’s what it takes to validate the identities jerk-off fantasies of autogynephiles.

    ** Technically, Gender Ideology is perfectly compatible with a biological female being a “trans woman”: If one of the apocryphal “biological females” was “assigned male at birth” (which must happen all the time since the “assigning” process is completely arbitrary anyway), but identifies as a woman, then, by definition, that makes her a “trans woman”.

  8. Bjarte Foshaug Avatar
    Bjarte Foshaug

    Sorry for self-quoting, but:

    Of course by now there is probably no shortage of women out there who are so heavily invested in Gender Ideology that they would gladly identify as walking inflatable dolls if that’s what it takes to validate the identities jerk-off fantasies of autogynephiles.

    Or, perhaps more to the point, as “an open mouth, an expectant asshole, blank, blank eyes”.