I’m not the only one who found that List of 100 Ways You Have to Grovel to the Trans Community grotesquely narcissistic and entitled. I’m seeing a lot of others on Twitter.
Christ in a carrier bag. Is this a spoof? 100 Easy Ways to Make the World Better for Trans People https://t.co/41Ebp4Q54u
— Julie Bindel (@bindelj) October 9, 2018
https://twitter.com/janeclarejones/status/1049724949492092929
"Do not question anything ever, do not ask us anything, only question yourself and think about constantly about trans issues always, change the way you think, and then BUY US THINGS"?!
What the hell. It's like an incoherent rebellious teenager's list of demands. pic.twitter.com/fVDKVKKbeA
— Kate (@CussingQuim) October 9, 2018
Flowers, dinner, cash – a car, a house, a yacht – any little token will do.
https://twitter.com/emwijessie/status/1049790970198339585
https://twitter.com/HJJoyceEcon/status/1049734502635982849
But there’s a feedback loop going on. The dogmatism and narcissism attract people who like that kind of thing, so they compete with each other for who can be most dogmatic and narcissistic, which attracts even worse dogmatic narcissists, and on it goes.
I had a brain haemorrhage by 4/100 so I decided to rewrite it as 100 ways to make the world better for women https://t.co/G1SYNQelUx
— Allison (@misswallison) October 9, 2018
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17 responses to “And then buy us things”
It’s the demand for unfettered access to women’s spaces and the ‘why are cis-women so afraid us just because we have penises’ that really irks me. If they really are women as they claim, they’d have no need to ask that question. For crying out loud, I’m a man with no pretentions to being a woman and even I know the answer to that one.
That seems counterproductive.
Oh wow, are they sort of acknowledging that there are different views of trans politics within the trans population? I wonder how long that will last…
Interesting. I wonder if they apply this logic consistently?
Oh shit, looks like we have a gender critical feminist writing the list! But I thought that position was transphobic?
Who the fuck has ever pretended this??
“Parrot our opinions as yours, while paying us for dictating them to you.” Jesus fucking christ.
“Hell, just pay us for any old shit we do, and praise us for it.” Reminds me of the woeful art promoted by The Orbit, after ditching Surly Amy.
“This is a one way street. We reserve the right to scold you for expecting thanks after helping us.”
Crikeys. In addition to being the fifth or so to demand money, apparently explaining the reasoning behind your position is now paid work. Which reminds me; Ophelia, what rate are you giving us for our blog comments??
Fucking really?? So they realise that there is not unanimity amongst the trans population on this issue, yet it is taken as granted that those that disagree are in the wrong and also trans(self?)phobic. Not even a hint of reflection or explanation, just a slap in the face for the Tiggerthewings of the trans world.
So much for #9.
An excellent example of how to say nothing at all while appearing to say something.
“Be quiet and go away. Let us take your place.”
Hah! Of course this is on the list, it just took a little while. So, #14 and #15 were about not taking up queer spaces, but here we are with a demand to demolish women’s spaces. Men’s too for that matter, though there is far implied less threat from women in men’s toilets than the reverse.
Aaaaaand right back to not reciprocating. To recap: #14, #15: “Our spaces are ours alone!” #89: “destroy women’s spaces!” #91, #92: “our spaces are our spaces alone!”
Ugh, clueless and self-absorbed are the only things I can think of for this pile of shit. And yet, “Bear in mind that this is only a start.”
Holms…
1. Until they realise the same could be said of ‘cis’ people.
2. Hahahahahahaaaaaa.
3. Stopped clock is right twice a day (this is the first).
4. No one, ever.
5. Yeah, right.
6. Indeed.
7. Well, you’re only cis after all.
8. Snort. But yeah, Ophelia, Holms comment is worth at least a decent gelato* and I fancy a flat white.
9. Facepalm.
10. Yes.
11. Hahahahahahaaaaaa. Again.
12. Hmmmm, I’m going to squint and say that under some conditions with excellent design they may actually be right for the second time.
13. Agreed.
* I misspelled this and got the wiggly red line. The suggestion was both deeply wrong and contextually inappropriate.
I wasn’t going to engage in this, since everyone else was doing so well…but this one specifically made me scratch my head:
91. Pride is not for you to get drunk and smear glitter on your face. Respect that this is not your space.
Who is this addressed to? ‘Cis’ people? What about gay ‘cis’ people, are Pride celebrations not for them?
Rob, you probably tried to spell it as gelati…? Gelato is singular, gelati is plural I believe. Naturally your imperialist-colonialist mindset blinded you to this nuance, you culture erasing, Italo-genocidal scum. etc
Guest – Yes, exactly what I wondered.
Holms – I reject your assertion and demand you buy me flowers, a meal out or simply send me cash. Actually I have a “chattery” keyboard which resulted in two l’s. Microsoft rather interestingly suggested that Ophelia should be supplying you with a male who specialises in the provision of a particular kind of oral service. Frankly, I didn’t know Microsoft had it in them to make that kind of suggestion.
Holms @#3:
That appearts to me to be only half the story. This pile might have been dumped with the deliberate intention of appearing to say nothing while saying… nothing.
I confess to be leaving by the same door as in I came…..
Then again, perhaps I was a little hasty at #8. This is also an excellent example of saying something while appearing to say something else. Or vice versa. Some items selected from the original list provided by Kai Isaiah-Jamal.
(NB: They are not in rising numerical order, because I do not wish to privilege ‘high’ numbers over ‘low’ ones, as integers or otherwise.)
I am still trying to reconcile these as a non-contradictory pair.
I am sick and tired of getting ordered out of womens’ lavatories by janitors, cleaners and officious police, and of blundering into a unisex one being while it is being used by a woman when the door lock is busted. So I’ll endorse that.
So back in Chaucer’s pre-colonialist day there were no genders? Pity nobody told him. Could have saved him a lot of posthumous embarrassment. As in the sex romp he called The Miller’s Tale.
How can we or you possibly know for sure…Either way?
But how does that square off with #47, #45, and #31…? Now I’m really confused…!
Would that be classified as them ‘getting away with things?’ But how does that reconcile with #45…? Now I’m even more confused.
Now I am really mixed up beyond even confused. What if I encounter a hypocrite who is NOT trans? Is that still not my business.?
I’ll bear that in mind, but for any and all who try to get away with things. Thanks for the tip.
And the world revolves around Kai Isaiah-Jamal. Noted.
But make sure that they are the same age as you and vv. Otherwise ageism.
Also Mu, Mn, Mo, Mp…Mz. They are on the way, for sure. Best be prepared.
A hard one. My mood board has splinters sticking out all over it. Must get a new one. But one which would not fit Kai Isaiah-Jamal on any which way. Hard.
But bugger it. Before getting sidetracked into commentary on this rant by Kai Isaiah-Jamal, I was going to do something important tonight. Now I can’t even remember what it was.
Bugger again.
So why don’t you understand why women don’t want bepenised people in women-only safe spaces?
Depends what you define as transphobic. We’re not laughing because you’re trans, we’re laughing at your self-centred, infantile demands.
Fine. But when that guy you’ve picked up finds out in bed that you’re packing a little extra, don’t complain if he seems a little mad. That is final.
So you’re OK with us not self-describing as cis, I take it?
Hey, precious, plenty of non-trans people don’t appreciate being touched, either. What makes you so fecking fragile. And physical contact with anybody involves parts of the body; how else does one make physical contact. Idiot.
Bullshit. If you think I’m being offensive and I don’t agree, it’s down to you to educate me. If I disagree I will say so. Your hyper-sensitivity is your problem, not mine, and you don’t get to stamp your feet and expect me to leave anywhere because I might disagree with you. I am never deliberately rude or insulting except in like-for-like retaliation, so if you think I’ve said something wrong it will be either my mistake or your over-reaction. Talk to me, don’t sulk.
Never said it was! A tad revealing, that one.
What the fuck is a mood board? Book and pay you for what? I don’t celebrate myself, why expect me to ccelebrate you?
Yet you’re the ones who say that if I refuse to consider taking a bepenised transwoman as a sexual partner, I’m transphobic. Make your minds up.
Victim of what?
BUT GIVE US MONEY FOR TELLING YOU SO!
>Why do I get the feeling that you can’t explain it without making it sound like a psychological issue?
Do not tell me who I can and cannot speak to. I’ve learned more about trans issues by speaking to traditional feminists than by listening to you with your ‘none of your business, I’m not telling you’ attitude.
Yeah, right. If you want to tell my wife what she can and cannot say then you’re a braver man than I. And I can’t face any more; my brain’s melting.
Christ, it’s 100 flavours of self-absorbed.
9 reminds me of this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QereR0CViMY
There seems to be a segment of society that says “social constructs” and “postcolonial issues” as a euphemism for “shut up”. They throw those words out, and feel they don’t have to explain, because that would be post-colonial (implying, of course, imperialist). So they wish me to believe that gender was not a thing prior to western colonialism, they (or is that thxy?) need to provide some evidence of this rather extraordinary claim.
“Gender” may change as you go through life, but you should totally maim your body and make yourself infertile at a young age to be in the “correct” body.
But if you are a woman in her late 20s and have 5 children, don’t even think about making yourself infertile, because you are too young. But then, that person is obviously cis, and evil anyway.
Wxnkxr.
Good one, Lady M.
;-)
Omar, I stole it from some Twitter genius. ;)