“Being a woman is an attitude”
Really? They can’t say what a woman is?
Not one of them answered the question.
Funny that the question wasn’t “What is a man?” I guess because that one’s easy, it’s just “woman” that can’t be defined?
I’d like to offer them some of my “attitude.”
These evasions are almost verbatim what you get from theists when they’re asked to define God.
Aaaaaaaand………………..for the same reason!
Am I the only one that parses this nonsense as “Trump speak”? There’s a 20% broader vocabulary but that’s the only significant difference I notice.
NinV:
As with the trans mob, if a bloke proclaims himself to be God, then he is God; and gets treated as such. By some, anyway. I know of a few cases where that has happened; and with partial success.
But on a Papal visit to Sydney a few years back some bloke upped and rushed forward in the open-air mass, proclaiming himself to be Jesus Christ returned (a bit along the lines predicted in Luke 21:25-36).
Except that he got jumped on by the cops and papal attendants quick-smart, and bundled away in a paddy-wagon, never to be seen or heard of again; That was not quite how it should have happened; at least not according to scriptural prediction.
That’s the trouble with the modern world: too many sceptics around. They even go so far as to say a bloke with a full-on donger is not a woman, and refuse to even listen to any case to the contrary.
I recommend Googling ‘Piers Morgan & Lisa Nandy’ (of the Labour Party), and watching her extraordinary refusal to answer the serious questions on trans-women in women’s sports Morgan put to her. (I am by no means a fan of Morgan, by the way, but here he is asking the right questions.)
I’ve noticed the new way of responding to the gender critical side is to dismiss their questions and arguments as abstract philosophy that has no relevance to people’s lives. I don’t think that used to be the reaction. Maybe things are progressing.
If it is mere philosophy to talk about what ‘woman’ means then maybe philosophers like Kathleen Stock can be left to get on with it now, since that’s their job. Maybe people will stop trying to get such people fired or trash their reputations, since they’re just philosophers doing philosophy.
Ha! I don’t think it’s very wise to “draw people’s attention to a poll in which a majority of women support trans people’s right to self-identify”. A majority of what now, Tom? Women, you say? But what are those? Are they distinct from the trans people they are being asked about? How many of the “women” expressing their enthusiasm for self ID were male, and how many were female? How can we gather data on what “women” think when we don’t even know what they are?
I’d love to see someone talk this kind of shit when they are being asked about the economy, and still expect to be elected.
‘Being a woman is an attitude,’ writes Cleo Lake. Being a man seems to be an attitude, too, for rather too many men, particularly when they self-identify as women. Cleo also writes that she (he?) hasn’t had time ‘to dig into all the ins and outs’. I don’t suppose she (he?) has.
Maybe the entire council lost all of their dictionaries? The poor dears.
To be fair, weren’t the Greens the ones who were the subject of fuss some years ago because they wanted “non-men” to join their young women’s group?
I mean … it’s not like their troubles with what a woman is are new.
(As an aside, as someone from the USA I just cannot take the Green Party seriously. Here, they’re more of a joke than the Libertarians, and only slightly less of a joke than the Constitution Party and the Rent is Too Damn High Party.)
@Random – I do take the Greens seriously as a political force, if only that votes going their way make other parties pick up green ideas. I do rate my local Green Councillors and MSPs who pursue green policy in things like housing and transport. These are bread and butter issues.
However I do wish they’d stick to the greenness and drop the general wokeness. They really function better as a pressure group rather than a political party, and a pressure group should stick to a clear and distinct remit.
Beatrix Campbell, former Communist/Feminist, now green, has resigned from the Green party in the UK because of the trans issues.
http://www.beatrixcampbell.co.uk/bad-dreams-greens-and-gender/
From the article linked by KBPlayer:
This relates to a discussion I was having recently with a young friend of mine. This friend sees the woke block as “allies”, and believes we should modify our language in every particular to accommodate them so they will be our allies.
My response to this is that these people are not our allies. They are not anybody’s allies. Their only goal is to be more righteous than everyone else, so the minute you acquiesce, they will move the goalposts. What you so obediently picked up and policed will now be verboten. New language will be in, and that language will be out.
They are not really interested in allies, or in policies. They are interested in being the best, the rightest, the wokest, and they aren’t going to ally with us, or anyone else, outside their own woke selves. They are as narcissistic as the various members of the Trump clan, perhaps up to and including the biggest, largest, stupidest Trump of them all, the one who thinks he is leading a great country, but is really just making shit up. Just like the woke.
If they are your allies, then you don’t need to do anything to they will be your allies. Because they already are.
If you have to do something in order to make an ally of someone, then that person is not your ally right now. They are at best potential allies.
I came across this:
https://mobile.twitter.com/hullfair/status/1285193309959475200?s=20
Turns out there is a female candidate – who couldn’t get to the hustings because she was tied up doing the kind of things women always end up doing – who knows what a woman is. Pure coincidence, I’m sure.
Catwhisperer, I noticed that it didn’t take long for the first delusional bloke in a frock (with typically ‘sexy pouting-laydee’ profile pic) to extend to Ms. Fuller a passive-aggressive ‘nvitation for a personal chat.
I wonder if Ms. Fuller can resist the tempting offer to be screamed at in the name of ‘educating’ herself?
Oh, and I don’t think that Adi DeeGee understands the meaning of ‘lost for words’. Or maybe the phrase has gone the way of ‘woman’ and has been given a shiny new transdefinition, which is like an ordinary definition but with the opposite meaning and liable to change to suit the mood.
@iknlast – Yes, if you are campaigning you sink your differences on many things to stick to the main thing you are campaigning on. You don’t flinch at someone not speaking your exact language. You don’t turn off people who haven’t picked up the exact jargon. You don’t spend a lot of precious time crafting every statement to include every group on earth.
Ah yes, extending the hand of re-education, how kind. Which does seem like a futile gesture, coming from someone who is lost for words. But don’t mind me, I’m probably just being verbosity-exclusive.