Furious brat
Some women collapse into actual sexism when trying to bully other women into agreeing that trans women are women. Frances Coppola for one.
What the hell??? What is it with these people? “Maggots,” “darling,” “dearie” – they might as well be angry frat boys.
A bit under 3800 women in women’s prisons–if we assume that none of the guards/staff were involved (a HUGE assumption, unlikely to be true, but I like to start from the absurdly generous position to show even the best-case scenario doesn’t work)–committed those 117 rapes, then that means that there’s roughly a 3% rate of sexual assault among female inmates.
A bit under 200 trans women committed 7 rapes over the same period, giving a 6% rate of sexual assault.
Oh, wait, no–“rape” in the UK ONLY refers to assault with the penis–so all those other rapes are from staff, etc.
D’oh, my mistake–the claim was for all sexual assaults (of course, only the TWs commit “rape” as defined in UK law). And my math was bad–3% for women in prison, 3.5% for Transwomen in prison. Still higher.
So, let me get this right.
Assaults by male prisoners pretending to be women = 7, between 2016 and 2020.
Assaults by other prisoners and/or staff…………………= 117, between 2010 and 2020.
Ms Condescending extrapolates the first to cover the same period as the second, in order to minimise the first. But what if there were zero assaults by male prisoners pretending to be women between 2010 and 2016, not because they weren’t dangerous, but because they weren’t in women’s prisons?
It seems to me that Ms Condescending can’t read statistics for understanding.
I looked up information a while back and found that inmates attacking inmates constituted a minority of the number of sexual assaults on inmates in women’s prisons, at least for the jurisdictions and time periods I looked at. Assaults by trans-identified male inmates would have to be compared to assaults by inmates, not just total assaults.
In addition to the insulting dismissiveness, it’s just an anecdote, but also, anecdotes are real events. She accepts that the event is real, but dismisses it anyway because …well, she wants to dismiss it. The word has changed from ‘unsubstantiated account’ to ‘label for things that I dismiss’.
Holms, you are quite correct. She is possibly incapable of understanding the real meanings of the words she uses, and just prefers to sling them around as epithets because she thinks it makes her look superior.
Anecdotes are things like “Oh, that happened to my cousin, too!” Without supporting evidence or some other form of substantiation, they can’t be counted as data. So, if there were rumours of sexual assaults on women in prison by men pretending to be women, and those rumours were what Joan Smith was referencing, then Ms Condescending would be right that they were anecdotes. However, those recorded assaults aren’t anecdotes. They are part of the government records. They have been extensively investigated and recorded, because they happened and there is evidence.
Anecdotes are also “it happened these couple of times”, with substantiation. I agree that Ms Condescending is being dismissive, in part because she thinks seven is a small number that doesn’t demonstrate anything.
But she thinks the small number indicates rarity; we don’t have the information to establish that. If seven men were placed in a woman’s prison and they committed seven assaults, that’ clearly a problem. We don’t have the denominator.
She is also focusing on rarity to distract from the larger issue. We don’t house men and women in prisons together because it’s dangerous for the women, even if most of the men are not sexual predators. Some are, or could be, and that’s enough. The fact that some of the men claim to be women doesn’t change anything, except that there is evidence indicating some men do that in order to gain access to women. We’d need data, and Ms Condescending doesn’t seem to care to look at those kinds of things, despite her insistence on having read (and obviously not understood) the data that we have.
The rarity issue is very similar in sports: “Only a few transwomen, they aren’t running away with everything.” There are a few, and the few are indeed running away with, not everything, but a lot, and we have sex segregation in sports for various reasons. But I digress.