How they talk about us
Sisterhood eh what?
Ahhhhh isn’t that nice – most women never work a day in their lives as any fule kno. Lazy sluts living off men.
Who is this Lucy Clark? He’s a football referee who boasts of being the first “openly Transgender” one in the world. He doesn’t hesitate to insult women with condescending “sweeties” and “poppets.”
He’s also…erm…rather large.
But we must incloooood him.
Reminds me of Tim Whatley converting to Judaism. “But Jerry, it’s our sense of humor that’s sustained us for 3000 years.”
Some days I wonder how the T got into this group in the first place. I’m sure I could reconstruct the history just fine, so I’m not asking for a lesson here, but the obvious difference between L and G on the one hand (people who are sexually attracted to the same sex), and T on the other, which has nothing at all to do with love, besides self-love…
How is T even a variation on a theme? It’s not even a parallel category, let alone orthogonal.
Lesbians: women persecuted because they love other women. Gays: men persecuted because they love other men.
Trans: men persecuted because wearing a dress gives them a stiffie, and they want to wank in the ladies’ room? Girls persecuted because their parents don’t want them to cut their breasts off and go through menopause at 20?
They’re not the same sort of thing at all. Why did trans latch onto the LGB movement? Why does LGB have to adopt every stray paraphilia?
When a big strapping bloke like “Lucy” complains about the lack of swimming costumes, well, it’s hard not to read into that. The whole damn point is they don’t like you ogling them in their swimming costumes, isn’t it?
To add to what Papito said, the LGB didn’t try to gain their rights by taking away the rights of another marginalized group. They didn’t insist we regard them as the same as us sexually when their sexual orientation is clearly different than that of heterosexuals. They asked to destigmatize that fact, which was reasonable. They asked to be allowed to marry who they loved, which is reasonable. They asked to be allowed housing and jobs and not to be arrested because of who they loved. That is reasonable.
T wants to shove aside all boundaries and invade any space where women congregate. They want the right to take our rights away. They want the right to rape lesbians with impunity. They want the right to win sports competitions against people who are born smaller and with less musculature. That is not reasonable.
I think from now on, I will not say “LGBTQ” for anything. I will divide them into LGB, T, and ignore Q and NB, which are essentially meaningless anyway.
What about 2S? Surely the most important and most marginalized!
Papito, I wonder the very same thing!
Meghan Daum and Sarah Haider, on a recent episode of their newish podcast “A Special Place in Hell”, discussed the lesbian writer Norah Jones, who “went undercover, as a man named Ned” and wrote a book about the experience called “Self-Made Man”. Norah wrote a piece in 2001 about transsexualism that is, IMO, prescient:
https://www.villagevoice.com/2001/05/22/welcome-to-the-transsexual-age/
Same here. I find I refer to “gay people” or “gay men and lesbians”. The distinction between “gay” and “bisexual” is usually not important. I avoid “trans” as much as possible, preferring things like “people with gender dysphoria” or “men who claim to be women”. And the “Q” and “2S” and “NB” and “A” and all those other letters they may add are meaningless, irrelevant, or both.
It really bothers me that I see news items about attacks on “LGBT people” and I have to read further to find out whether it is an actual attack, whether it’s harming same-sex-attracted people, or whether it’s really safeguarding and the rejection of the demands of trans ideology proponents.
Well thing is, the Ts used to be just a specialist type of G and the fetishists had fuck all to do with it. Nothing wrong with including the Ts that were actually Gs…
Re #7
Not at all sure what you mean by “including the Ts”. Include them in what?
Like the term “men” refers to all people of a particular sex, whether they acknowledge it or not, “gay men” refers to same-sex attracted men, even if they claim to be (straight) women. The fact that they claim to be women is irrelevant to the use of the term.
I’m saying saying they were gay men, whatever they called themselves… Whereas the TRAs mostly aren’t.
Like you’re not midde aged yourself. How would you know whether or not they’ve worked a day in their life? Is there some sort of badge or uniform they’re not wearing? Are you jealous that some working class women can pass for middle class, while you can’t pass for a woman? Is that what’s behind this misogyny? Anyhow, whether they had “worked a day in their life” or not, what difference would that make to their concerns, as women, for the protection of single sex spaces? Women of whatever age and whatever class still have the right to organize and protest. They get to have political interests and opinions of their own. They still have need of protections and boundaries, which you seem suspiciously eager to deny and remove. In fact, you’re exactly the sort of person they definitely need to be able to separate themselves from: a man without respect for women, or for women’s rights and boundaries.
What woman has ever failed to work?
Women’s work might largely be invisible to many men*, and often not remunerated, but that doesn’t mean that it isn’t work. Most women work at least two jobs.
*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_kXIGvB1uU
Lucy, tell me you’re a man without telling me you’re a man.
Lucy: “These women haven’t worked a day in their lives.”
Right @11 Mostly all of the women in my life have always been much more industrious than mostly all of the men I’ve known, whether they were getting paid for it or not (and not paid fairly to boot). The whole ‘barefoot and pregnant’ stereotype is a load of sexist bullshit.
Okay, I’ll bite. I know a couple that never worked (well, maybe not NEVER, but they left everything up to others). That’s irrelevant to me; they still had rights, including the right to be middle-aged, the right to be at the beach, the right not to wear a swimming costume for men to ogle. They also had the right to have safe spaces where men were forbidden to go.
As for women’s two jobs? Hear, hear. I worked three jobs during my master’s program, raised a teenage son on my own, and still kept my house cleaner than any of my sisters who worked only inside the house. And most housework, especially when there are young children (and teenagers, too, but not as much) involves several levels of multitasking. So do many jobs that are done predominantly by women.