Dream on
Good grief. How about “No.”
Coronation: Public asked to swear allegiance to King Charles
Why on earth would anyone want to do that?
People watching the Coronation will be invited to join a “chorus of millions” to swear allegiance to the King and his heirs, organisers say. The public pledge is one of several striking changes to the ancient ceremony revealed on Saturday.
In a coronation full of firsts, female clergy will play a prominent role, and the King himself will pray out loud. The Christian service will also see religious leaders from other faiths have an active part for the first time.
They couldn’t make it sound more repulsive if they tried. Monarchy on the one hand and god-bothering on the other – no thank you.
The public will be given an active role in the ceremony for the first time, with people around the world set to be asked to cry out and swear allegiance to the King.
An active role, which is to swear allegiance to this one man because of who his mother was. Much active, very participate.
The order of service will read: “All who so desire, in the Abbey, and elsewhere, say together: I swear that I will pay true allegiance to Your Majesty, and to your heirs and successors according to law. So help me God.”
Not going to happen. I pay no allegiance to Choss, true or semi-true or pretend.
A spokesman for Lambeth Palace, the archbishop’s office, said: “The homage of the people is particularly exciting because that’s brand new. That’s something that we can share in because of technological advances, so not just the people in the Abbey, but people who are online, on television, who are listening, and who are gathered in parks, at big screens and churches.
“Our hope is at that point, when the Archbishop invites people to join in, that people wherever they are, if they’re watching at home on their own, watching the telly, will say it out loud – this sense of a great cry around the nation and around the world of support for the King.”
Why does he need all this support? He’s the one with all the money and the multiple giant houses on giant tracts of land and a whole train all his own. How about he supports us instead?
As part of the service Muslim, Hindu, Jewish and Sikh peers will present the King with pieces of the coronation regalia, including bracelets, the robe, the ring, and the glove.
Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, a practising Hindu, will read from the biblical book of Colossians.
That made me burst out laughing. It’s so take your favorite toy to school day. Rishi will read from the Bible and Fred will read from the Upanishads and Muriel will read from Atlas Shrugged.
After the religious service has ended, the King will receive a greeting by Jewish, Hindu, Sikh, Muslim and Buddhist leaders.
No atheists of course. No skeptics, no humanists, no secularists – just faith-heads of all flavors. So novel, so exciting, so progress!
Still praying here for that giant asteroid . . .
And at the moment when the common people were asked to pledge allegiance to the king, a great cry went up across the land:
“Piss off, you great wanker!”
I don’t think anyone is expecting foreigners to swear allegiance to Chuck.
Hey, how about a Catholic giving a reading? Also, there are some passages from Atlas Shrugged that might make “interesting” reading at a coronation.
I like the above litany, especially
BUT OB, I hate to have to be the one who has to tell you this, but due to certain events in your native America in 1776, including Seattle and environs (I’m pretty sure on that) nobody would expect you to.
It doesn’t really sound like it’s all that revolutionary to me. After all, the Windsors are German and their cousins said “Heil” en masse.
Hey now, chigau and Omar, read what it says – everyone in the world is invited to join in.
Now it’s not an order, it’s an invitation. I’m not saying they’re ordering us to join in. But according to the BBC they are indeed inviting us to.
‘They will be invited to say the words: “I swear that I will pay true allegiance to your majesty, and to your heirs and successors according to law. So help me God.” The declaration replaces the traditional homage of peers.’
But some might still find that a bit much. So for them, maybe this will do in its place: “I swear that I will try not to laugh too much at Your Majesty’s expense, and that goes also for your heirs and successors according to law, but not including Andrew. And Christ help us all.”
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/30/minister-defends-offensive-coronation-day-oath-to-king-charles
Hahahahaha I can’t even swear that much. A cat can laugh at a king and so can we!
My neighbours are apparently planning to do it.
There are 12 monarchies in Europe. 10 get on with the change of monarch the same way they get on with a change of government. Simply and without undue fuss.
The other two are the UK and the Vatican. Both are not just monarchies, but also theocracies.
I was told recently that, at stadium sporting events, you are “supposed to” stay in your seat and be still while the national anthem is playing. I suppose this might be an instance of “we ask that you,,,” phrasings, rather than an actual requirement that could lead to expulsion if violated, but perhaps not. I suppose this is a step beyond “invited to”.
Not all that long ago people were expected to stand up in respectful silence as “God Save the Queen” was played at the end of a play and sometimes even a movie. Utterly slavish and deferential, in my view.
It doesn’t say “everyone in the world”, it says “people around the world”.
The “people” referred to are members of what used to be “The Commonwealth”.
You are NOT invited, so you can relax.
Canada, Australia, New Zealand and many, many, many others are warming up our lungs for a loud, sustained
fuuuuuuuck you chuckles
I had some kind regard to the queen. Not really because of anything she said – virtually every utterance was bland – but more because she was simply a part of the scenery, having been part of the media tableau as monarch my entire life. I appreciated her for keeping herself apolitical I suppose, but I was still puzzled at the anachronistic arrangement. This new guy is, well, new. He does not have that old lived-in living room feel to him, and already he is throwing around the most outlandish requests. Fuck off, dickhead.
Ohhh, the Commonwealth, I didn’t think of that. Ok, that would fit. When the time comes, lift up your voice and sing!
Where the UK and the Commonwealth have the House of Windsor, the US has the House of Trump, maybe coming up for a second time round. Scholars will debate for centuries about who got the best deal.
Man Who Has It All (satirical media) has appropriate merchandise for the coronation, referring to Charles as a “male queen”:
https://manwhohasitallshop.com/product/coronation-male-queen-t-shirt/
https://manwhohasitallshop.com/product/x/
OTOH as far as I’m aware schoolchildren all over the USA ‘pledge allegiance’ every morning.
Just to pick up on a point that others have made: it’s an invitation, not a request, and there’s more (or less) to it even than that, as this thread (https://twitter.com/danbarker/status/1652778270163607553) explains well.
I blame the BBC. It does switch back and forth between “asked” and “invited” in that piece, no doubt to follow the journalistic convention of avoiding repetition, but flouting the journalistic convention that clarity and precision matter.
And thanks for the link!
No.
A friend told me that crowds at a Celtic match the other day joined each other in a rousing chorus of:
You can stick your coronation up your arse,
You can stick your coronation up your arse,
You can stick your coronation, stick your coronation,
Stick your coronation up your arse,
A sentiment I think we can all get behind.
I see what you did there.
There is a short video of the coronation song
https://www.thenational.scot/news/23491663.watch-celtic-fans-sing-you-can-shove-coronation-/
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