Jesus christ. I remind Jane Caro that women are vulnerable to male violence as opposed to the other way around, and she replies with stats on trans v “cis” people. I could swear she used to be a feminist.
Jesus christ. I remind Jane Caro that women are vulnerable to male violence as opposed to the other way around, and she replies with stats on trans v “cis” people. I could swear she used to be a feminist.
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Does the study take lifestyle in to account? Do trans people put themselves in danger by making risky life choices? Jane also doesn’t acknowledge the children who are harmed by this ideology.
I don’t care what the study does or doesn’t, because I wasn’t comparing “cis” people and “trans” people, I was comparing women and men. She ignored my question and answered a different one.
I grew up in Sydney, Australia in the 1950s. There was a radio journalist/commentator at that time by the name of Eric Baume. He had a personal motto: ‘Speak well of my name, speak ill of my name; but speak my name.’ He did quite well out of it.
On the face of it, Caro is in the same tradition.
Well it’s a dubious study to claim as an example of vulnerability. I saw some of the twitter interaction, and the way she’s invoking “transphobe” and “cisgender” looks like she has already drunk the Kool Aid.
She absolutely has, that’s why I was arguing with her.
Now that I think about it, the study could also be seen as people who are in situations where their lives are at risk, or live their lives in risky ways, are also vulnerable to trans ideology. Thereby an example of the opposite of how Jane interprets the “stats.”
Interesting to note that women, whether trans men or plain old women, have a victimisation rate 20% greater than men, whether trans women or plain old men. The study says that the difference between TW and TM was not statistically significant, but the similarity in ration is food for thought.
TW/TM: 107.5/86.1 = 1.25
W/M: 23.7/19.8 = 1.20
Interestingly, the prevalence of self-identified trans people in the survey was 0.1%, which is somewhat lower than the 0.3% to 0.5% we’ve seen thrown around recently.
The study concludes in part…
Jane Caro is a feminist, one of the 4th generation be kind feminists that insist it ain’t feminism unless it includes everyone. And now it’s so incloosive it excludes anyone who knows what a woman is.
I doubt she’s read the report she links to, just posts as a gotch to OB. It has been debunked by scholars far more qualified in the topic than either Caro or me.
The other thing about that study – it contradicts a lot of other things I’ve seen, but if they are counting ‘misgendering’ as violent victimization, they could probably get to those numbers. Although a lot of what they call ‘misgendering’ is just people with no malice who don’t have any skin in the game, and have no idea how this person identifies.
I was composing a reply to this but it got too big so I made it a post at my Substack:
https://artymorty.substack.com/p/let-the-right-one-in-who-is-and-isnt
hat-tip to you, Ophelia.