Those who hold a certificate

You know, if there’s a law saying that Xs are Ys when the reality is that Xs are not Ys then that’s the fault of the people who passed the law. It’s useless telling people who continue to know that Xs are not Ys that there’s an Act saying Xs who have a certificate are “legally Ys.” Laws aren’t magic. Laws should definitely not be used to coerce the populace into accepting (let alone repeating) a lie.

Stella Creasy please note.

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14 responses to “Those who hold a certificate”

  1. Lady Mondegreen Avatar
    Lady Mondegreen

    Stella’s a woman in the same way that a corporation is a person.

  2. Mike Haubrich Avatar
    Mike Haubrich

    It’s true. A woman can have a penis. It’s consensual, in the correct circumstances, but it’s not her own.

    I have to credit Dr. Steve Ceci of Cornell U for inspiring that comment on a section on Freud when I was a sophomore.

    (I wasn’t at Cornell, nor was he, at the the that he made that joke.)

  3. Ophelia Benson Avatar

    Stella is actually a woman, it’s just her beliefs that are on the fritz.

  4. NightCrow Avatar

    UK’s Gender Recognition Act clear that those who hold a certificate are legally women or men. – Stella Creasy MP

    So it’s an example of a legal fiction. Which by definition isn’t factually true. In your anxiety to attack J. K. Rowling, you are making yourself look a fool, Dr Creasy.

  5. Your Name's not Bruce? Avatar
    Your Name’s not Bruce?

    You know, if there’s a law saying that Xs are Ys when the reality is that Xs are not Ys then that’s the fault of the people who passed the law.

    I guess these people need to read up on Canute’s little demonstration to his courtiers of the limitations of human command over material reality. His story is often botched in the retelling, being held up as an example of the hubris of a monarch rather than flattering lackies being taught that the king’s powers are finite. Here we have lawmakers believing that if they say something, it becomes reality.

    The stupidity of this with regards to the human sexes should be as obvious as it would be in case of abolishing gravity, or proclaiming the ability to transmute base metals into gold. “Oooh, you’ve got a certificate ! Then I’ll happily accept payment in this genuine, certified gold that you’ve made from lead. It still looks kinda dark grey, but I’ll take your word that it really is gold. Then I’ll toss you out my tenth floor window so you can fly off home. BYE NOW!”

  6. Rev David Brindley Avatar
    Rev David Brindley

    Well, lookie here, you god damned Americans started this by legislating Pi = 3!

    (PS, that’s an exclamation mark, not 3 factorial).

  7. Colin Day Avatar

    Then I’ll toss you out my tenth floor window so you can fly off home. BYE NOW!”

    I didn’t know that YNnB was really Vladimir Putin.

  8. Omar Avatar

    We believe what we want to believe. Creasy wants to believe that a woman can have a penis, so she will do so. Reality has nothing to do with it.

  9. Colin Day Avatar

    @Rev David Brindley

    #6 (not 2π)

    Indiana attempted it, but π = 3.2.

  10. Ophelia Benson Avatar

    Ooh I wish I’d thought of Canute.

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  12. Your Name's not Bruce? Avatar
    Your Name’s not Bruce?

    I didn’t know that YNnB was really Vladimir Putin.

    I was actually thinking more Terry Gilliam by way of Marty Feldman: https://www.openculture.com/2012/05/ithe_miracle_of_flighti_the_classic_early_animation_by_terry_gilliam.html

    esp. at 2:10.

  13. Nullius in Verba Avatar
    Nullius in Verba

    Seeing women play handmaidens to this nonsense evokes the same feelings as seeing scientists extol the glories of God.

  14. tigger_the_wing Avatar
    tigger_the_wing

    Have a giggle, Mike Haubrich: by that same logic, there was a time of my life, over thirty years ago, when I was the proud bearer of two penises, with an occasional visiting third. Any mother of twin (or higher multiple) sons can boast the same (or more).