Wearing the Versace top
Bro journalist at the Herald talks to celebrity bro-woman India Willoughby. First sentence:
INDIA Willoughby is sitting at her kitchen table in Newcastle wearing the Versace top she bought as a treat after appearing on Celebrity Big Brother.
The scene is set! This is a woman he’s talking to. Womany womany womany woman. No self-respecting man wears a “top.” That’s laydee territory. No man buys himself a “top” as a “treat” – that’s a totally effeminate girly womany female feminine womany womany thing to do. ARE WE CLEAR???
Willoughby says he gets threats.
“Somebody will get killed. That’s where the rhetoric is going. Words kill, we know that. People are using their words and platforms to make people angry. If anyone is killed it will be a trans person. If that becomes Britain’s sobering moment then that’s tragic for this country, awful.”
I wonder how he thinks he knows that if anyone is killed it will be a trans person. It’s not as if women don’t get threats too.
Willoughby says trans people feel politically isolated, apart from Scotland’s SNP/Green government. “When it comes to the bigots, the scary thing is that for trans people nobody is coming to our rescue apart from Nicola Sturgeon.”
What rescue though? What rescue does he want? What more are people supposed to do?
I’m sure being trans is fraught with difficulty, but that’s mostly because of what it is, rather than opposition to the ideology’s takeover.
“The underlying narrative,” she adds, “is that trans people are frauds, out to trick you. That idea is really dangerous. The one dilemma all trans people face is telling prospective partners that you’re trans. It’s a minefield. It can be very dangerous. So creating this mood music that we’re frauds green-lights to some that we deserve a beating.”
Or, it’s the other way around. The underlying issue is that people are mostly not particularly eager to have a “prospective partner” who is the non-chosen sex, if you see what I mean. Straight people want partners of the opposite sex, lesbians and gays want partners of the same sex. That “dilemma” isn’t put there by “terfs” or women in general or feminists in general, it’s there already. It’s not our fault that 1. men aren’t going to be fooled by Willoughby and 2. straight men aren’t going to want Willoughby for a partner. I repeat: that’s not our fault. It’s not anyone’s fault.
Maybe that’s the whole of the secret sauce here. Trans people have made their romantic/sexual/marital lives vastly more difficult by being trans, and that’s not anyone’s fault. What to do? Where to direct all that energy when there’s no perpetrator? Onto women who say no, of course. Now there’s someone to fight with!
But something was changing in 2017, Willoughby believes. She noticed attitudes to trans people hardening when she appeared on Women’s Hour. “I expected a chat about being the first trans Loose Woman but as soon as I got there it was clear that this was me in the dock. Not long afterwards, this movement of just horrible people started to coalesce.”
Just horrible people are we? While Willoughby is the nicest warmest most generous loving person you’d ever want to meet?
She believes if trans rights are eroded, then gay and lesbian rights will be next, and eventually women’s rights. America’s “extremist” Christian lobby has already eroded women’s abortion rights, she adds. Trans people are “the gateway, the same people coming for us will eventually come for gays, lesbians and women”.
No, bub, you’re already coming for women, with a lot of success.
Willoughby says the rhetoric on both sides needs to calm down before someone gets hurt. She denounced any trans campaigner carrying placards like ‘Decapitate terfs’. “They shouldn’t be there. They’re helping nobody, certainly not trans people.” Willoughby has, and does use the word ‘terf’, though, defending the use of the term as it was originally coined by ‘radical feminists’. She would refrain from using it to any woman who said she found it offensive.
The generosity of the man! He knows we do “find it offensive” but he’ll keep on calling us unless we tell him personally that we “find it offensive.”
Neal Mackay posted 23 tweets promoting this interview. Seems like a lot.
No, Jonathan, that’s not the underlying narrative. We realize that most trans people sincerely believe the things they say.
The gender critical “narrative”–and it’s not subterranean, it’s right up here in the daylight–is that the trans narrative about gender identity is wrong. People can sincerely believe wrong things. Their sincerity doesn’t make wrongs things true.
Willoughby:
When terfs do it, we’re under attack, they want to eliminate us, someone’s going to get killed!
When we do it, we’re just understandably lashing out verbally because of these constant life-threatening attaaaacks.
Gosh, this rhetoric really needs to calm down! Won’t somebody please calm down the rhetoric.
What’s that number of women qua women being killed in Great Britain – one every three days, isn’t it? What’s that number of trans people qua trans people in Great Britain that have been killed in the past, say, three years – about the number of moons around Venus, isn’t it?
A trans ‘woman’ I know came out to his wife; she said she didn’t want to be married to a woman, she was heterosexual, and threatened divorce.
In short, she validated his identity. But instead of seeing that she was affirming him as a woman, he went on about how unfair it was.
@4:
I wonder how he would have reacted if his wife had said: “Don’t worry, I still love you, because I know that you’re just playacting, and in fact you’re actually still a man, and I’m attracted to men.”
The trans lobby are the ones gift wrapping the guided weapon the religious nutters are trying to use to restart the war on gays. Fuck off India…
I’m thinking part of him is actually looking forward to being able to point to this (as yet completely hypothetical) moment, as long as the martyr in waiting isn’t him. It must be personally embarassing for him to have to wait for this, all the while claiming how “marginalised” and “subject to violence” TiMs are, while women can point to hundreds of femicides. Every. Year. Where’s the incitement against trans? How many websites are offering “KILL THE TRANS” tees? Can he point to any feminists fantasizing about trans activists being struck by cars and exploding like bags of beans against the windshield? Willoughby’s gonna be put out if he’s predicted a trans genocide (It’s just like Germany in the 30’s, except it’s trans instead of Jews!!!) and nobody has the common decency to start one in order for his prediction to come true. Even not being transphobic is transphobic.
You’re not a woman, and you’ve got the nerve to go on a show called Women’s Hour? You do the math.
Cutting to the chase, I guess. And as for women’s abortion rights in the US, way too many campaigners removed the word “woman” altogether, at the behest of trans activism, which tried to turn this into a wider, yet more vague and amorphous move against “bodily autonomy,” shifting the focus away from women’s abortion rights.
Oh yes, It’s just like Nazi Germany except the organs of the state are using your preferred terminology and punishing those who do not. Major corporations are promoting and defending trans “rights”. All of this is at the expense of women’s sex based rights. You’ve had things your way for far too long, and far too easily. You’ve taken institutional capture so much for granted that you see it as your right. A little bit of pushback, a bit of unwanted adverse publicity, and suddenly you think you’re on the way to the camps. Grow up. And fuck off.
First 3 weeks of the year, three Australian women were murdered in DV attacks. We are well on track to maintain our record of slightly more than one woman per week.
That’s around 280 women in the last 5 years. Trans women murdered in the last five years? Zero.
I did a quick Google search for “kill the trans” T-shirts. After some adjustments to eliminate hits for “transphobia kills” and “stop killing black trans women” and similar, I found: nothing. Searching for “kill the TERFs”, though, yielded many products. I thought maybe some Christian extremist group might have a “kill the trans” apparel, but I didn’t find it.
I don’t doubt there are abuses and death threats. But such threats are quite normalized against those who disagree with gender identity ideology. It’s dumbfounding that the transactivists don’t see this.
It’s passed off as “legitimate self defence,” just like Lloyd Russel-Moyle’s rank misogyny and intimidation is called “passion and anger” in “defence” of the “trans community.” They’re so targeted and suicidal, it’s no holds barred when it comes to “protecting” them. Being an ally makes a nice cover for woman-hatred you no longer need to hide. Do it for the “community” and it becomes righteous and necessary. If you take these weapons away, trans activists and their thuggish friends have nothing with which to “defend” their position but facts and arguments, and we all know that cupboard is bare.
Willoughby claims that “terf” was “coined by radical feminists”. Huh? I don’t know who came up with that term, but I sincerely doubt that it was radfems. I don’t know anyone who wears it proudly, because it’s used to denigrate, and carries that baggage. He’s talking out his ass again.
James, I’d always ‘heard’ that it was a term coined by radical feminists, but if we turn to that paragon of always correct knowledge (Wikipedia), we find hate following citation for the origin – a trans-inclusive blogger. This is the earliest known use of the phrase.
If anybody gets killed, it will be a woman being killed by a man in womanface. There have already been violent attacks on women by trans and their supporters. If Mister India is all that worried, he can tell his bros to stay out of women’s spaces and to stop pushing men’s issues into our lives. Those men brought their little fetish crusade to us, remember? If he does not like the reception his little colonization movement is getting, he and his bros can reverse course and go away.
Also, note how he is only upset by the “decapitate terfs” sign because that makes his side look bad. He does not condemn violence against women, just notes that now may not be the right time to really start smacking the women around even if he and his bros really want to and feel entitled to do so.
@14 Interesting repost on Ovarit, of a TIP (it’s a woman, of course) suggesting that maybe TIPs would help their cause by leaving women alone.
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guest, that’s an…interesting…post, but it’s still full of anger and hatred at TERFs, and only seems to want to leave women alone because it makes them look bad. I wonder if it’s possible for any TiP or TA to honestly report or respond to women’s concerns? If they are not able to understand women’s concerns, that probably is a good indicator they are not women. Women live with things their entire life that the TiMs have never experienced, and will never experience.
They play at womanhood; we live it.