That one homogenised word

Manivannan is trying to backpedal.

Q Manivannan, the Scottish Parliament’s first non-binary MSP, has apologised over comments describing rape as being “on a spectrum”.

The Scottish Green MSP, who was elected in May, sparked fury and was widely condemned after a clip from The Subjective Space podcast in which Manivannan said that there “definitely is a demonisation of rape” and there are “different modes” of consent. The podcast was recorded last year and has resurfaced on social media.

The clip shows Manivannan saying: “It is a spectrum, none of which is any less, or more, worse, but it is a spectrum of things that constitute that one homogenised word, rape. And I think there’s also different modes of not just consent, but also ideas, also contexts and conditions under which rape is, well, rape.”

As many people have pointed out, not his call. It’s not for men to inform us that rape is what they say it is.

Manivannan added: “I recognise that the words in the clip shared, without the full context of the conversation, have caused considerable upset. For that I apologise. I will always stand with and for victims and survivors.  

“Rape and sexual violence can leave profound pain, fear, hurt and trauma. I know from my experience of surviving sexual violence and speaking about recovery how deeply those experiences can affect people. And this complete mischaracterisation of my words has now returned me to my trauma.”

And there it is – he’s the one who is really suffering here.

Scottish Rape Crisis Alliance (SRCA), which represents four Scottish rape centres, criticised Manivannan’s comments in an open letter, saying there is “no hierarchy of rape” and warning not to “minimise” sexual violence.

The alliance has also said it “fundamentally rejects the suggestion that society is demonising rape”.

The SRCA said: “We do not need to exaggerate its seriousness. We do not need to turn perpetrators into mythical monsters.

“But neither should we be afraid to say plainly that rape is horrific, that it causes profound trauma and harm, and that responsibility for that harm belongs with the person who chose to violate another person.”

The Scottish Conservatives have called on the Scottish Greens to suspend the whip from Manivannan immediately.

The party’s equalities spokeswoman Meghan Gallacher said: “These remarks from an extremist Scottish Greens MSP were appalling and beyond the pale.

“It is deeply alarming that anyone, but especially an elected representative, would ever seek to minimise the seriousness of rape and suggest that there is a spectrum of offences.”

Yes but he’s non-binary. Doesn’t that make it ok?

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6 responses to “That one homogenised word”

  1. patrice brennan Avatar
    patrice brennan

    These queer theorists speak in obscure riddles, complicate the simple and simplify the complex.

    People nod along sagely not wanting to appear dumb by not understanding the word salad.

  2. maddog1129 Avatar

    Manivannan said that there “definitely is a demonisation of rape”

    He says that as if it’s a bad thing. IMO, rape isn’t demonized nearly enough. Mostly, it’s not even taken seriously. After all, we wouldn’t want to ruin the lives of the perpetrators, now, would we?

  3. Sonderval Avatar

    @maddog

    I think demonization is a two-edged sword, because it will stop men from realizing in many situations (like date-rape or rape in marriage) that the coercion they do actually is rape.

    This was covered in this study

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/men-dont-know-meaning-rape

  4. Deep Thinking Avatar
    Deep Thinking

    I think demonization is a two-edged sword, because it will stop men from realizing in many situations (like date-rape or rape in marriage) that the coercion they do actually is rape.

    This was covered in this study

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/men-dont-know-meaning-rape

    How so; that study seems to show precisely that rape isn’t demonized nearly enough i.e. some men only demonize a subset of rapes?

  5. Sonderval Avatar

    In my understanding, the logic is that men tend to think

    1. Only a terrible person would rape someone.

    2. I am not a terrible person.

    3. Therefore, what I am doing cannot be rape.

    So the more you “demonize” rape (i.e., the more you claim that rapists are as evil as demons), the less men will accept that their behavior actually is rape.

    We see a similar thing with racism or general sexism, where people tend to not accept that their behavior is racist/sexist because they have internalized that racists/sexists are evil, so what they are doing cannot fall into this category.

    We also see this in many “apologies” (or notpologies) when people say “I did X but behaving that way is not who I really am”. Instead of taking full responsibility for what they do, they deflect responsibility because otherwise they would have to picture themselves as evil people.

    Of course I am not saying that rape in any form is not evil. It surely is. But the more we demonize it, the more people will tend to excuse what happened, and I fear that the demonization is part of why we so often see rapists getting lenient sentences – the judge thinks that the perpetrator is not a completely evil, demonic person, so he cannot “really” be a rapist and if he is sentenced as rapist he is declared a monster and demon.

    On the other hand, not clearly saying that rape is evil can also not be the solution, that’s why I wrote that it is a two-edged sword…

  6. maddog1129 Avatar

    I don’t mean only to demonize a word; I mean we should elaborate on the actions that constitute rape (the thing that guys in that study *do* but don’t consider or recognize as rape), and demonize *that.* Not accepting a woman’s “no,” for example. Taking advantage of someone who is impaired. Things like that.

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