You gotta love how their poor understanding isn’t limited to biology, language, ethics, and logic, but extends to First Amendment jurisprudence.
twiliter
I enjoy Wagner, I suppose that puts me in league with Nazis too.
maddog1129
Not just First Amendment jurisprudence, but First Amendment jurisdiction.
Just wait till that idiot learns about UK defamation law.
iknklast
I don’t believe the UK has the First Amendment, but okay. It is obvious these allies only know what they want to know. There are laws against libel and slander in the UK, but they are not bound by the US Constitution (I’m not sure the US is bound by it anymore, either, with the current Supreme Court).
I don’t think I could do what Rowling is doing. I admire her, but I would probably collapse under such Twitter abuse. Good thing I’m not on Twitter.
Screechy Monkey
Nullius, I guess you’ll have to explain First Amendment jurisprudence to me, too, then, because I’m not seeing your point here. Caraballo’s tweet, given the context, would almost certainly be protected as the hyperbolic expression of opinion. (And for anyone who’s about to protest that calling someone a “bigot” is a definitely a statement of fact, I can literally provide you with dozens of case citations to the contrary.)
maddog, assuming Caraballo is a U.S. resident whose assets are in the U.S., the First Amendment will protect her just fine. Let’s assume Rowling sues in a UK court and obtains a judgment. That judgment is a nice piece of paper that will accomplish nothing, because under the Speech Act, U.S. courts will refuse to “domesticate” a foreign judgment that would violate the First Amendment if it had been issued in the U.S.
Nullius in Verba
Screechy, my point is not that the specific accusation of bigotry isn’t protected speech, but instead that Caraballo’s attitude suggests a belief that the First Amendment is blanket immunity, especially against foreign suit.
Screechy Monkey
Ok, then I refer you to my other comment about the SPEECH Act.
Southwest88
Caraballo…strikes a memory…ah, he is the guy who was humiliated when his tweets advocating hate towards judges that won’t obey him came up in a hearing.
Hope somebody on Twitter is archiving his latest stuff because I am sure he is stupid enough to appear before any committee that will have him and be humiliated again..
Freemage
“Bigot” is probably protected, but I wouldn’t assume that the rest of the post is similarly shielded. “is in league with the far right and nazi orgs to eliminate trans people,” might be a case–specifically, the ‘nazi orgs’ part. That said, she’d also have to prove damages in court, which would be a lot harder, and that alone could get the case dismissed.
John the Drunkard
I think the Ukraine Famine was a Bad Thing. Which means I’m an ally to Nazis.
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You gotta love how their poor understanding isn’t limited to biology, language, ethics, and logic, but extends to First Amendment jurisprudence.
I enjoy Wagner, I suppose that puts me in league with Nazis too.
Not just First Amendment jurisprudence, but First Amendment jurisdiction.
Just wait till that idiot learns about UK defamation law.
I don’t believe the UK has the First Amendment, but okay. It is obvious these allies only know what they want to know. There are laws against libel and slander in the UK, but they are not bound by the US Constitution (I’m not sure the US is bound by it anymore, either, with the current Supreme Court).
I don’t think I could do what Rowling is doing. I admire her, but I would probably collapse under such Twitter abuse. Good thing I’m not on Twitter.
Nullius, I guess you’ll have to explain First Amendment jurisprudence to me, too, then, because I’m not seeing your point here. Caraballo’s tweet, given the context, would almost certainly be protected as the hyperbolic expression of opinion. (And for anyone who’s about to protest that calling someone a “bigot” is a definitely a statement of fact, I can literally provide you with dozens of case citations to the contrary.)
maddog, assuming Caraballo is a U.S. resident whose assets are in the U.S., the First Amendment will protect her just fine. Let’s assume Rowling sues in a UK court and obtains a judgment. That judgment is a nice piece of paper that will accomplish nothing, because under the Speech Act, U.S. courts will refuse to “domesticate” a foreign judgment that would violate the First Amendment if it had been issued in the U.S.
Screechy, my point is not that the specific accusation of bigotry isn’t protected speech, but instead that Caraballo’s attitude suggests a belief that the First Amendment is blanket immunity, especially against foreign suit.
Ok, then I refer you to my other comment about the SPEECH Act.
Caraballo…strikes a memory…ah, he is the guy who was humiliated when his tweets advocating hate towards judges that won’t obey him came up in a hearing.
https://thepostmillennial.com/watch-democrats-online-safety-expert-humiliated-in-congress-with-her-own-tweets-threatening-judges
Hope somebody on Twitter is archiving his latest stuff because I am sure he is stupid enough to appear before any committee that will have him and be humiliated again..
“Bigot” is probably protected, but I wouldn’t assume that the rest of the post is similarly shielded. “is in league with the far right and nazi orgs to eliminate trans people,” might be a case–specifically, the ‘nazi orgs’ part. That said, she’d also have to prove damages in court, which would be a lot harder, and that alone could get the case dismissed.
I think the Ukraine Famine was a Bad Thing. Which means I’m an ally to Nazis.