Mere amateurs

It turns out you have to have expertise in “gender” to be able to say that men are not women.

It’s a very complicated, difficult, technical subject. You can’t just rock up and say that man is not a woman. You need to have, at least, read a book by Sally Hines first.

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13 responses to “Mere amateurs”

  1. iknklast Avatar

    I would like to think that my Ph.D in Biology and my bachelor’s degree in Political Science give me some level of expertise on what a woman is (though of course, poli sci really has no bearing on what a woman is).

    I realize that isn’t the expertise Hines means, but what Hines means is idiotic.

  2. maddog1129 Avatar

    I beg to differ. Girls and women have — of necessity — lifelong history of, qualifications related to, and actual expertise in distinguishing males from females.

  3. Ophelia Benson Avatar

    Yes but that doesn’t count, you see. We know it doesn’t count because it comes up with the wrong answer.

  4. Screechy Monkey Avatar
    Screechy Monkey

    Ah, takes me back to the days of the Gnu Atheists, where we were told that the only people who are qualified to opine on the existence of god are theologians.

    Or the classic Catch-22 of “you can’t say something is nonsense unless you have devoted years of your life to studying it, and if you have spent years of your life studying it, why are you so obsessed with it?”

  5. Francis Boyle Avatar
    Francis Boyle

    Well I’m qualified to speak here because. . . I’m human. There’s a radical political concept based on that idea but its name escapes me at the moment.

  6. twiliter Avatar

    Wittgenstein said “Whereof one cannot speak, one must thereof be silent” but that’s not quite the case, is it. I mean that’s why God created social media, to disprove that very proposition.

  7. Holms Avatar

    There was an even spicier reply a little further down:

    100% of people pretending to be the opposite sex have zero experience of knowing how it feels to be the opposite sex

  8. Acolyte of Sagan Avatar
    Acolyte of Sagan

    Screechy Monkey, #4.

    Ah, takes me back to the days of the Gnu Atheists, where we were told that the only people who are qualified to opine on the existence of god are theologians.

    Which takes me back to the, erm, days before PZ banned me, and particularly to the day I was engaged in a back-and-forth with Gilliel, who got more and more frustrated as I picked holes in her specious arguments until she finally snapped, posting ‘You don’t know what you’re talking about. You haven’t even read Butler, have you? HAVE YOU?’

    No dismissing the nonsense until you’ve wasted too much time reading every idiot who ever wrote in favour of the nonsense.

  9. Sackbut Avatar

    How ironic that PZ devised the “Courtier’s Reply” argument that he won’t use in reference to this one issue.

  10. Acolyte of Sagan Avatar
    Acolyte of Sagan

    Sackbut, given that he’s taken to using they/them pronouns when referring to individual spiders I think he’s too deep into it now for logic to regain a foothold.

  11. Ophelia Benson Avatar

    Couldn’t he just call them Itsy and Bitsy?

  12. Acolyte of Sagan Avatar
    Acolyte of Sagan

    Speaking of PZ and his ability to apply rational thought to any subject bar transgenderism, today he has this to say about the supporters of drinking raw milk:

    Now normally I might be willing to shrug off this suicidal insanity — let the kooks voluntarily weed themselves out of the population by swilling contaminated food — except that the primary victims of this lunatic movement are kids who have no idea of the risks, and who are simply expressing a natural trust in what Mommy and Daddy tell them.

    The primary victims are kids who don’t understand the risks and trust the adults, you say? Now where else have we come across that scenario? Oddly enough I’ve looked through the comments and there’s not a single sarcastic ‘Oh! Won’t somebody think of the children!’ to be seen.

    https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2024/09/07/finally-a-cause-to-unite-the-right-and-left/#comments

  13. Ophelia Benson Avatar

    Oh gawd. Physician heal thyself eh wot?