They deny the possibility
Adults thinking, or pretending to think, like toddlers.
“discriminatory to trans women because they deny the possibility that individuals born into male bodies can feel and identify as women.”
People can “feel and identify as” anything and everything. The issue is not feeling and identifying, it’s being. We can all “feel as” planets or stars or the universe or a worm or a particular semi-colon on a particular page of a particular book or any other damn thing we think of. What we can’t do is be any and every damn thing we can think of. This distinction is crucial, we learn it very early in life, and seeing adults trying to imagine it out of existence is one of the more nauseating aspects of the gender cult. Be a woman in your head all you want, but don’t expect me to endorse what’s in your head, and really don’t try to force me to do that. What’s in your head is your problem, not mine.
May I propose a new bumper sticker:
It covers so much . . . transubstantiation of sexes and hosts . . . cornucopian fantasy societies . . . alleged stolen elections . . .
Really don’t expect me to endorse anything if you try to force me to. I’m rather tetchy when it comes to my personal autonomy.
As such, I’ll agree to the idea that men can feel like women only if someone can make a compelling case that it’s possible. Since that requires both clearly defining what it even means to feel like a woman and explaining how a man could know that what he is feeling is that, I doubt I’ll be agreeing to anything any time soon. After all, the gender cult considers such tests to be oppression.
Looks like these panel members could do with cross examination by some of the lawyers we’ve seen defending UK sex realists in the
witch huntsemployment tribunals that we’ve seen posted here on B&W. I’d love to see them made to justify and explain the bullshit they profess. I’m hoping that at some point the tide will turn on this side of the Atlantic, and the trans ideologues will be forced onto the defensive as their over-reach is rolled back from under them.It’s two for the price of one, innit. We get the silly rules and demands and orders of gender ideology, AND we get the jaw-droppingly defective thinking of gender ideology. “I can imagine it, according to me, therefore I am it.” Get out of here!!!
fyi, for a deeper dive if interested:
1. The penalty document https://www.bccnm.ca/Documents/complaints/2025_08_14_BCCNM_Hamm_Penalty.pdf
2. the Decision for Verdict: https://www.jccf.ca/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Decision-on-Verdict-March-13-2025.pdf? for some of the ‘’evidence’’ and “reasoning’’ for this verdict
2a. In the tweet Ophelia posted above: that is from #251 p. 81 of Decision for Verdict and ‘”reasoning’’ discussed on p. 108 of the Decision for Verdict. As you can suspect, it’s not reasoning most people [and especially biologists*] in US, UK, Australia, Canada would agree with.
3.*yet one more clear explanation of the “scientifically accurate view that sex is binary” : https://www.skeptic.com/article/sex-is-binary/? this is a really excellent essay that clearly state the opposing positions and argues why they are incorrect.
3b. Biologists Jerry Coyne and Colin Wright have written essay after essay after essay after essay clearly explaining this, and Wright has tons of youtube interviews on this. Here’s this week’s interview with Carole Hooven on “Gender and Sex” that I am looking forward to hearing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rECrbAa1sTQ
Apparently “feeling like a woman” is an irreducible qualia which requires no explanation – it’s like feeling hungry or horny or humble. It’s so subjective that anyone demanding a description is automatically acting in bad faith, diminishing the humanity and denying the existence of someone who feels.
It’s just so … babyish.
OMG, what a complete travesty of justice this “disciplinary” proceeding is.
The process is the punishment. T used the power of the state to crush the nurse, getting her fired, so she has no income, is unable to work as a nurse, she’ll be suspended for a month if she ever gets another nursing job, and they want her to pay almost $100,000 in costs. They found she had said “discriminatory” things. Discriminatory in what way? I don’t know what the exact statements were, but holy cow, it’s simply true that men are not women, and that human beings can’t change sex. I hope she wins her appeal. Canada has drunk the Kool aid.
“The clear message conveyed…is that there isno ability for a person to become a woman is one is not born as a female….”
“…[this is] discriminatory to trans women because they deny the possibility that individuals born into male bodies can feel and identify as women.”
Circular reasoning, much? Yes, that’s what Amy said. Now explain why you think she’s wrong.
That’s not only a “clear message,” it’s also physically, objectively, literally true. It’s not an opinion, which is amenable to persuasive argument; it’s a brute fact of reality.
I’m not sure that that’s true. “Identify as” is a singularly muddy phrase that doesn’t convey much beyond “wishing to be” something that the person is not. People can say all sorts of things about themselves. That’s free speech. So men can say “I feel like a woman,” if they want to. I don’t think that anybody necessarily wants to prevent them from saying that. It’s false to say that the gender critical position “den[ies] the possibility that” male-born people can “identify as women.” Men say that — “I identify as a woman” — all the time. It may not be easy to discern what anyone means by the term, “identify as,” but I don’t think anyone is proposing to prevent people from saying that they “identify as” a woman. Likewise, I don’t understand the gender critical position to be that men are not allowed to say, “I feel like a woman.”. Epistemologically, however, how can he know that? That’s a fair question, inasmuch as the only sensations he can ever have conscious access to are his own, which necessarily take place in his male body and brain.
How is it “discriminatory” against trans identified males to point out that there are philosophical problems with a man’s claim to “feel like a woman”? Or to point out that “identifying as” something that it’s not factually possible for him to be, is self-contradictory? Stating the truth is “discriminatory” now?
The rub comes when the trans identified male not only says “I feel like a woman,” or “I identify as a woman,” but he demands that others must agree, or act as if they agree, that such statements describe physical reality: ie, his saying so makes him an actual woman. That’s crazy. That’s discriminatory against the whole world, demanding that everyone must act as if lies are true.
The gender critical position is not to “deny the possibility that individuals born into male bodies can feel and identify as women,” but to “deny the possibility that individuals born into male bodies” can actually be women. Those are two very different things.