Just say no
So very liberal and democratic.
The Lib Dem party conference has descended into a transgender row after members shut down a vote on biological men taking women’s roles.
Gender-critical activists had intended to force Sir Ed Davey into banning trans women from taking female positions with a debate and then vote on the issue. However, it was struck off the agenda after a rival campaigner warned it would be used to “legitimise bigotry”, calling the proponents an “extremist faction”.
Oh we’re the extremists. It’s extremist to know that men are not women, and not at all extremist to insist that men are women if they say they are and that women have no right to defend our own rapidly vanishing rights. Also it’s bigotry to know that men are not women.
The internal spat will pile pressure on the Lib Dem leader to clarify his stance on gender-based definitions after he repeatedly refused to say that a woman cannot have a penis.
Did he also refuse to say that Santa Claus is not a real person with miraculous powers to descend the chimney of everyone on the planet? How did we get to a place where adult political bosses pretend that magic is real?
Instead, Sir Ed insisted “the vast majority of people identify with the same gender they had at birth, but there are a few who do not” during an interview with Piers Morgan.
Blah blah blah. Childish drivel. People are whatever sex they are. They don’t have to “identify with” it, but they can’t choose not to be it, any more than they can choose what species to be.
He later described transgender rights as “a difficult issue” amid division in his party between pro-trans and women’s rights groups.
But he also, of course, came down on the side that tells women to fuck off. He’s a liberal and a democrat, and women are bad worthless people who must not be allowed to protect our rights.
Liberal Voice for Women, a group of gender-critical campaigners, was due to use the party’s annual conference to call for a vote on changing party rules that would bring the Lib Dems in line with April’s Supreme Court ruling on the definition of a woman. The current rules allow those who “self-identify as women” to stand for party posts set aside for women, which activists argue dilutes biological women’s chances of reaching the top of the party.
Sigh. It’s not just “activists” who “argue” that. Of course letting men take women’s posts dilutes women’s chances of reaching the top of the party; what else would it do? Men taking women’s posts=fewer women with posts=fewer chances to proceed in an upward direction. That’s a necessary consequence of letting men take women’s posts. And don’t call us “biological” women as if there’s some other kind.
But the Supreme Court ruled that the word “sex” in the Equality Act referred to “biological sex”, meaning that if a job is set aside for a woman, it must be a biological woman and not someone who identifies as such.
And the LibDems are ignoring the ruling, thus harming and oppressing women. So lib. So dem.
Rival activists succeeded in having the vote on Saturday morning struck off on the basis it would be “transphobic”.
This is despite a YouGov poll showing that three-quarters of Lib Dem members do not support the party’s stance on allowing gender self-identification.
Oh who cares what they think. They’re not liberal and democratic enough.
Here’s the smug prat who made it happen:


Trump ignores court rulings. The LibDems ignore court rulings. I realize they are in different countries, but it does appear that we are entering a period where the courts are becoming just figureheads. If everyone is equal, then are we all entitled to ignore court rulings? So the rest of us can ignore Dobbs?
No, I guess we probably can’t, because Trump likes Dobbs, and it only hurts women. Therefore, no rights to ignore.
Dude looks like a dude.
Who is he?
Pictured is Lucas North, the Finance Officer of the Young Liberals as well as the Vice Chair of the Liberal Democrats. Lucas works in business consulting and has an accountancy background, supporting internal and external audit engagements. Lucas is a they/them.
https://www.libdems.org.uk/fcc
Mike, #2: of course he does. Have you ever seen a TIM who doesn’t look like a dude?
@ Acolyte of Sagan. #5
He might be a they/them, but he calls himself “Lucas.” Is he a TIM?
maddog, under the current ‘official’ definition of trans as an umbrella term, yes. Apparently it no longer applies only to those who identify as the opposite sex but includes everybody in the letter salad, so everybody who is considered gender non-conforming is deemed to be ‘under the trans umbrella’. I think it’s a ploy to pretend that ‘trans rights’ and the perceived loss thereof affects a lot more people than it really does. I’m only surprised that the initialism hasn’t yet changed to T(LGBIA+).