Originally a barn-burner of a comment by Artymorty on Their own unnerstanding of their genner idenniny.
Yeah but but but
It’s all so far away. It’s all about some vague, distant “they, them, those people” off in the hazy distance somewhere. The hazy trans distance.
I hate it.
The rest of us have a right to SEE PEOPLE’S SEX, clearly.
WE CAN SEE IT!!!
You are free to play whatever pretend games you want about your “soul” or our “body thetans” or your “gender identity”. Go the fuck ahead.
But we are free to visibly observe your actual material sex and make our own decisions about you based on it. Whether or not to date you, or to let you into our private circles and spaces, for example. That is our right.
And a lot of people who think they’re being allies — upstanding citizens, good little liberals, virtuous pillars of progressivism — they forget that trans extremists aren’t just meekly asking for permission to play pretendzies in front of us, they’re demanding that we LEGALLY comply with their sex-pretend roleplaying game, to such an extreme that we are obligated to pretend it’s literally true, on pain of social and criminal punishment.
Of course our transwoman friends have a right to believe they’re “real women” in the privacy of their minds! That’s religion 101. My Muslim and Christian friends are free to believe in their crazy (frankly gross) shit, too. Duh! I manage to have religious friends despite finding their religions gross, and they no doubt don’t buy into my beliefs either. But we make it work. That’s cosmopolitanism 101.
And we’re not obligated to believe the same as each other. That’s secularism 101.
I’ve found a little hack to get this point through to straight men, and it works incredibly well. Seriously, I’ve pulled this rhetorical move a few times now, in a few different instances of arguments with straight guys about the trans thing, and the result has been instantaneous and jarring. It’s a powerful move:
Straight guys describe transwomen in terms of “letting” “them” (way over there somewhere) have their little beliefs. It’s all about letting some distant people do their freaky eccentric thing, from a distance.
So I ask these straight men blunt sexual questions about their attraction to transwomen over actual female women. When straight men say, “transwomen are women,” I challenge them: surely they mean it truly, all the way down to finding them sexually attractive in the same way that actual women are, right? Of course, you find a neovagina consructed out of a young gay man’s anus flesh the same as an actual vagina, right?
Of course they don’t, and of course they’re not even willing to lie about it.
It’s instantaneous. “That’s not what I meant when I said transwomen are women! I only meant they are allowed to believe they’re women to themselves! I never said ***I*** have to believe they’re female!”
Actually, you did, bro. You implied it so strongly, that that’s why these gay men went out and got neovaginas, and that’s why the industry carries on. Because men like you ARE TELLING VULNERABLE GAY MEN THAT THEY CAN BE “REAL” WOMEN IN ***YOUR EYES***, BECAUSE YOU ARE PUBLICLY SAYING SO.
Well, you are publicly avoiding contradicting it, in any case. And you’re either attacking those of us who do, and/or siding with those who attack us.
And then you sneak off and abandon the trans people you pretended to support, once it comes time to actually date and fuck them.
You are the assholes.
It works surprisingly well, to remind these bystanders that they aren’t entirely bystanders when they play along with gender woo…
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