Tag: Morgane Oger

  • Oger’s practical experience

    I’ve been arguing with Morgane Oger for a couple of days.

    MO: I consider rejecting a person’s gender identity equivalent to all other forms of supremacist and fundamentalist ideologies.

    Mine: Rejecting a “gender identity” that differs from physical sex is neither supremacist nor fundamentalist.

    You just like bullying women, that’s all it is.

    MO: As long as no action is taken oh, what you think about transgender people is your own business. Employers, service providers, or landlords straying into discrimination on explicitly prohibited grounds makes it public business.

    Mine: What kind of daft non sequitur is that? I said VRR are not supremacist or fundamentalist.

    MO: Human rights laws are here to address supremacist ideas.

    Mine: Back to front. Human rights laws are here to define and protect human rights. “Supremacist ideas” are not the only source of opposition.

    MO: Might I suggest you spar on Twitter with somebody who has no practical experience bringing, protecting, and using legislation on the matter?

    Mine: Oh I’m aware of your experience, pal – your experience of persecuting Vancouver Rape Relief for being an organization to help women.

    That’s where it stands as of now. Naif reminded us in a comment Tuesday that

    the VRR’s right to select membership (and employment) on the basis of sex, not gender-feels, has been upheld in court.   When Oger says “VRR choosing to ignore Canada’s civil rights laws”, he is in fact full of shit.

    so I decided to refresh my memory on the history of this conflict. Meghan wrote up the city council vote last March.

    On Thursday, Vancouver city councilors voted to cut funding to Canada’s longest standing rape crisis centre and transition house. Vancouver Rape Relief and Women’s Shelter (VRRWS) has been receiving funding from the city for more than 10 years, and while VRRWS will receive these funds this year, the decision was made that the grant will not be renewed next year unless the organization’s position to maintain women-only space changes. This particular grant went towards public education and outreach, and was for approximately $30,000.

    The efforts to cut these funds were led by local trans activists; notably, BC NDP Vice President, Morgane Oger, who has been the subject of numerous complaints from citizens, on account of accusations of defamation and harassment of feminists online.

    At a city council meeting on Wednesday, Hilla Kerner, a member of the VRRWS collective, pointed out that no one informed the organization that this grant would be discussed and potentially discontinued as a result of that discussion, meaning that, had VRRWS not been tipped off privately, they would have had no support at the meeting nor any opportunity to defend themselves. “Nobody bothered to invite us to explain our position, practices, politics, and services,” Kerner said.

    It appears Oger intended to stage a coup, organizing trans activists to attend the meeting and speak against VRRWS, in order to ensure a one-sided “debate.” And the city was ready to let this happen, without protest.

    During the hearing, Oger (11:46:00) argued that VRRWS should be disqualified from receiving public funds, accusing the organization of “having a history of discrimination against transgender women on the basis of their gender identity or gender expression.” This statement is of course untrue. Rather, VRRWS has a policy of offering services to those born female, and as well won the right to determine their own membership in 2007, meaning that it is within their rights to maintain a women-only policy with regard to collective members and shelter workers.

    So I followed that link and read the chronology. Here’s the key bit:

    January 18 2002

    The BC Human Right Tribunal released its decision that Vancouver Rape Relief acted on good faith and had been respectful in their treatment of Kimberly Nixon. However, the tribunal ruled that Vancouver Rape Relief had not proved that life experience as a girl and woman was a necessary pre-requisite to be a peer counselor to raped and battered women and ordered the payment of $7,500 to Kimberly Nixon for hurt feelings.

    August 2003

    The BC Supreme Court conducted a judicial review of the BC Human Rights Tribunal decision.

    December 19, 2003

    The Supreme Court set aside the decision of the Human Rights Tribunal, finding that the Tribunal had made an error: Vancouver Rape Relief had not discriminated against Kimberly Nixon and the group does have the right to freedom of association to organize as women only.

    The court further declined to send the matter back to the Tribunal for a rehearing.

    April, 2005

    Nixon appealed to the B.C. Court of Appeal.

    December 7, 2005

    The B.C. Court of Appeal held unanimously that Vancouver Rape Relief has the right to prefer to train women who have never been treated as anything but female.

    The Chief Justice said: “The respondent Society was entitled to give preference to women who are not post-operative transsexuals, because there is a rational connection between the preference and the respondent’s work or purpose.”

    February 1, 2007

    The Supreme Court of Canada dismissed Kimberly Nixon’s request to appeal the B.C. Court of Appeals decision. The Supreme Court further awarded Vancouver Rape Relief with “costs”. Which as of June 2009, Kimberly Nixon has not paid back. Read the final decision here.

    So, just as Naif said, Oger is lying every time he says VRR is breaking the law, and he says it a lot.

    And yes it matters. Growing up as a girl is not the same as growing up as a boy who wishes he were a girl or “feels like” a girl or both. It should be possible to have all kinds of solidarity with males who would rather be female if it weren’t that so many of them express that preference by bullying women.

  • Some people overreact

    Morgane Oger on Facebook on the vandalism at Vancouver Rape Relief yesterday:

    When Vancouver Rape Relief’s discriminatory conduct hits the light of day some people overreact. It’s deplorable when this overreaction goes so far as to threaten, or to provide implied threats, of violence.

    We are not a society that tolerates violence against people because of what they believe, or even because of what they do.

    Subtle. “VRR are terrible people, but it’s deplorable to imply threats of violence. They are terrible though. That’s the important point here.

  • Morgane Oger says women who won’t comply get the wall

    Morgane Oger says Vancouver Rape Relief asked for it.

    Regrettably but predictably, VRR choosing to ignore Canada’s civil rights laws causes blow-back. I empathize VRR feel threatened by the predictable response to their conduct. As I have previously offered, I am ready to help VRR get out of their mess if they wish to.

    Sadly, people do misguided things that vent their anger but do little to further the cause they see as theirs. One constructive way to de-legitimize these actions is to participate in no injustice that can be pointed at as worthy of blow-back.

    He means that VRR is “participating in an injustice” in not hiring men who identify as women to work as rape counselors. The fact that women who have been raped don’t want male rape counselors is beside the point as far as Oger is concerned. It’s all about what the men who identify as women want, and the women who have been raped just have to take what they’re given…kind of like how rape works.

    Oger says it’s ok though because the threats weren’t aimed at the raped women, they were aimed at the organization that helps them.

    These threats were not aimed at victims of sexual violence but against an organization run by TERFs and those persons themselves. Such foolish threats can not be condoned and are harmful. Somebody doing awful things gives no license to threaten violence.

    I do not support inciting anyone killing or otherwise harming anyone else on the basis of who they are or what they believe.

    The appropriate response to the views of TERFs, facists, racists, or other supremacists is education. To handle their harmful actions, we employ police.

    He calls feminists who provide rape services the equivalent of fascists, racists, and “other supremacists.”

    He accuses them of “inciting harm.”

    VRR has been inciting harm towards transgender women since 1995. I empathize with the women this organization refused to help far more than with this easily-replaced corporate entity.

    He’s tapping these out with the speed of a machine gun.

    He’s a pig.