Tag: Trump-Putin

  • Memory hole

    [But see update]

    Wow. Sorry to do the naïve surprised-shocked thing yet again, but I am surprised-shocked. The White House is 1984ing us. Its official transcript and video of the Trump-Putin press conference last week both have a missing piece – a sliced out, concealed, censored piece. Can you guess which one? It’s where the Reuters reporter asks Putin if he wanted Trump to win and Putin says “Yes I did, yes I did.”

    Updating to add: Washington Post reporter Philip Bump says that’s not what happened, that it was a glitch not a deliberate censoring.

  • I’m not a patsy, you’re a patsy

    Trump calls Obama a patsy for Russia and stupid.

    President Trump said in a television interview broadcast Friday that President Barack Obama was “a total patsy” for Russia, as he touted his own efforts to forge a better relationship with Russian President Vladi­mir Putin.

    “Getting along with President Putin, getting along with Russia, is positive, not a negative,” Trump said during the interview on CNBC’s “Squawk Box,” which was recorded Thursday shortly [before] the White House announced it was inviting Putin to Washington in the fall for another meeting with Trump.

    He must have said that 40 thousand times by now. Yes, we know, a truce with a rival or even an enemy is often the best option. We get that. But a truce is not the same thing as an obsequious fawning craven submission.

    Furthermore a negotiated truce conducted by informed experts is not the same thing as a private conversation conducted by an ignorant stupid headlong amateur.

    Trump contended that he has been “far tougher on Russia than any president in many, many years, maybe ever.”

    “Look at all the things that I have done,” Trump said. “Obama didn’t do it. . . . Obama was a patsy for Russia. A total patsy.”

    Under the Obama administration, the United States issued multiple sanctions against Russia after its 2014 annexation of Crimea from Ukraine. Russia was also expelled from the Group of Eight forum during Obama’s watch.

    Total patsy.

  • A proposal that was made in sincerity

    Oh great, now Treason Don wants Volodya to come to his house for a sleepover in the fall, just in time to fuck around with the elections.

    President Trump plans to invite President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia to Washington for another meeting in the fall, officials said Thursday, even as Mr. Trump’s top advisers groped for details of what the two leaders discussed in their last meeting in Helsinki, Finland.

    Mr. Trump’s director of national intelligence, Dan Coats, acknowledged frustration at being kept in the dark about the meeting, which included only the leaders and their respective interpreters. “If he had asked me how that ought to be conducted,” Mr. Coats said at a security conference in Aspen, Colo., “I would have suggested a different way. It is what it is.”

    Well why is it what it is? Why can’t anyone do anything about this? Why can’t anyone stop him?

    Meanwhile the White House is apologizing to Putin for turning down his totally reasonable request to be able to interrogate the ambassador and 11 others.

    “It is a proposal that was made in sincerity by President Putin, but President Trump disagrees with it,” the press secretary, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, said in a statement.

    “In sincerity”? Well sure it was – Putin would sincerely like to get his hands on people he considers troublesome to him. But who cares? Why is the White House press secretary burbling about Putin’s sincerity? Why is she kissing his bum? Why are her bosses telling her to do that? What is wrong with them all?

  • Trump wants a second date with Pootie

    Oh well, no worries, call off the alarms: Putin is defending Trump from critics.

    President Vladimir Putin on Thursday defended Donald Trump from angry criticism following their summit in Helsinki, as the U.S. president called for a second face-to-face meeting with his Russian counterpart.

    Mr. Putin, in his first comments in days, praised the Helsinki summit and said it led to some “useful promises.” Little more than an hour later, Mr. Trump tweeted that he wanted a follow-up meeting with Mr. Putin to work on the issues he said they discussed, including terrorism, Israeli security, nuclear proliferation and cyberattacks.

    And handing US citizens over to Putin on request.

    “It is important that a full-fledged meeting took place allowing us to speak directly, and overall it was successful.” Mr. Putin said.

    For Putin.

    In the days after the summit, both the Russian defense and foreign ministries said they were either ready to begin or already had started working on agreements hashed out between the two leaders, but neither offered any details as to what they were.

    The Russian Ambassador to the U.S. Anatoly Antonov, speaking to Russian media, said earlier in the week that a number of oral promises had been made between the two leaders.

    Which, if true, is of course deeply unnerving, since no one here has any idea what those “oral promises” were. Unless the spooks managed to put a wire on Trump without his knowledge, which I hope they did.

  • Hand over the suspects

    A new item: Trump apparently told Putin “ok” to the suggestion that Russia should be able to question Americans Putin wants to “prosecute” i.e. push out of a high window.

    https://twitter.com/waltshaub/status/1019690516252938240

  • Russia’s defense ministry says it’s ready to act on the agreements

    Oh but that’s not what he meant, he meant the opposite, he didn’t hear the question, he was answering a different question, he had a pain in his bum right at that second, he didn’t mean “no” the way you’re interpreting it, he said yes but you just didn’t listen, he left out some of the letters, he meant to say wouldn’t, he forgot his homework, the dog ate his shoes, the sun will come out tomorrow, is that a zebra?

    President Trump appeared to say on Wednesday that Russia was no longer targeting the United States, contradicting his own intelligence chief just a day after promising that his administration was working to prevent Kremlin interference in the upcoming midterm elections.

    Hours later, the White House press secretary, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, said that Mr. Trump was answering a different question, and that “we believe the threat still exists.”

    Certainly; he was answering a different question, that no one asked, that he made up in his head, that presumed the answer “no.” The question was…would you like the ceiling to collapse on your head right now? That’s the question he was answering. I don’t know why you’re all so suspicious.

    What Coats has said:

    “These actions are persistent, they are pervasive and they are meant to undermine America’s democracy,” Mr. Coats said in a speech on Friday.

    And again on Monday: “We have been clear in our assessments of Russian meddling in the 2016 election and their ongoing, pervasive efforts to undermine our democracy,” Mr. Coats said.

    But on Wednesday, when the president was asked whether Russia was “still targeting” the United States, Mr. Trump said: “No.”

    But he thought the question was: “Do you have a dog?”

    The president’s changing statements about Russia’s intentions toward the United States underscore his pattern of questioning his own intelligence agencies.

    The word you’re looking for is undermining…or perhaps better, sabotaging. He has a pattern of sabotaging his own intelligence agencies.

    Which, in a president, looks kind of treason-like.

    Mr. Trump’s latest vacillation on Wednesday drew more outrage, including from his own party.

    “I’m dumbfounded by the statement he does not believe that the Russians are still up to it,” Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, said on Wednesday. “We need to reconcile the difference between him and the intelligence community. I agree with the intelligence community. Tell me why I’m wrong, Mr. President.”

    That and a nickel will get you a ride on the subway. Talk is cheap, Senator.

    Mr. Graham said ignoring the threat posed by the Russians was “political malpractice” if the threat was real. “I believe it’s real,” he said.

    Mr. Graham added, “If he is wrong, and the intelligence community is right and we get attacked because we didn’t prepare ourselves, that is a terrible legacy for him.”

    It’s not great for us, either!

    Though the details of the president’s meeting with Mr. Putin are not publicly known, Russia’s defense ministry announced that it was ready to put in motion the unspecified agreements Mr. Trump and Mr. Putin reached.

    Oh, brilliant – we don’t know what they are and apparently have no way of forcing Trump to tell us what they are.

  • In plain sight

    Greg Sargent at the Post points out that Republicans are avoiding the core issue.

    They don’t acknowledge the intelligence services’ consensus view that the Russian sabotage effort was designed to elect Trump.

    The Republican evasion on this is not just a political dodge to avoid offending Trump voters. It’s also substantively important. The big unknown right now is why Trump refuses to take Russian sabotage of our democracy seriously, at a time when our own intelligence officials say it will happen again. The easy answer that has been pushed by Republicans and some Trump loyalists is that the president doesn’t want to diminish the appearance of his victory’s legitimacy. It’s just a matter of ego and temperament. It’s just crazy Trump being crazy Trump.

    But as this Brian Beutler thread demonstrates, that explanation cracks up against the known facts. We all had good reason to suspect in real time that Russia was interfering, and Trump relished it, and even encouraged it, as it happened. Now that Mueller’s indictments have started fleshing out the fuller dimensions of this sabotage and its now-confirmed goal of electing Trump, this can no longer be about guarding appearances of legitimacy, because his current conduct makes that more suspect. The only conceivable explanation is that he was both perfectly happy to benefit from Russian interference and wants to obstruct/or and delegitimize the ferreting out of the truth.

    Ok so a mystery remains: if Trump badly wants to conceal the fact that Russia helped him get elected (despite having publicly encouraged them to do just that during the campaign) then why did he insist on that meeting with no one else present except the translators? Surely it can’t really be so that they could Discuss Their Cunning Plans…because surely they would have preferred a rather less visible way of doing that, and therefore would have come up with something.

    Unless it’s just that Trump is so stupid that that never occurred to him. Putin of course doesn’t need to care, because our intelligence services can’t do anything to him. Putin murders people right out in the open.

  • His mood soured

    Trump is surprised.

    I guess even though all his advisers told him he mustn’t do what he did, he thought everyone would be overjoyed anyway? Because…[????]

    President Donald Trump was upbeat immediately after his news conference with Vladimir Putin in Finland, but by the time he returned stateside on Monday evening, his mood had soured considerably amid sustained fury at his extraordinary embrace of the Russian leader.

    Well, to be fair, I don’t give a flying fuck what his mood is, I want to know when he’s going to resign in disgrace.

    He offered a defiant rebuke of his critics mid-Tuesday morning, writing on Twitter: “While I had a great meeting with NATO, raising vast amounts of money, I had an even better meeting with Vladimir Putin of Russia.”

    “Sadly, it is not being reported that way – the Fake News is going Crazy!” he proclaimed.

    Resignation. At once, please.

    Trump’s self-defense, however, was unlikely to quell the uproar caused by Monday’s news conference.

    The conservative editorial page of The Wall Street Journal declared the news conference “a personal and national embarrassment” for the President, asserting he’d “projected weakness.” Newt Gingrich, ordinarily a reliable voice of support, wrote on Twitter the remarks were “the most serious mistake of his presidency.”

    Immediately after his news conference, Trump’s mood was buoyant, people familiar with the matter said. He walked off stage in Helsinki with little inkling his remarks would cause the firestorm they did, and was instead enthusiastic about what he felt was a successful summit.

    How is that possible? How? It’s not as if he’s not aware of the Mueller investigation, to name just one clue that there would not be universal joy if he staged a lovefest with Vladimir Putin.

    He watched the telebision news on the plane ride home and he was upset, poor babby.

    He vented to Bill Shine and Stephen Miller, because that’s going to help a lot.

    He’s going to vent to the rest of us at 2 p.m. DC time so about 40 minutes from now. We can predict what he’ll say – good to have good relations with Russia, he did everything all by himself with his heroic mightyness, fake news, but her emails, where oh where oh where is that server.

  • Prosecutors see what he did

    More reactions.

  • The timing was exceptionally awkward

    The Times was live updating.

    Mr. Trump refused to say that he believed American intelligence agencies’ findings that Russia interfered in the 2016 United States election, as a news conference where international affairs were expected to dominate turned again and again to the president’s domestic political troubles. The timing was exceptionally awkward, just days after the Justice Department indicted 12 Russian intelligence agents on charges of hacking the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign, in an attempt to aid Mr. Trump.

    For “exceptionally awkward” read “treasonous.”

    Asked whether he believes his own intelligence agencies, which say that Russia interfered in the 2016 United States election, or Mr. Putin, who denies it, Mr. Trump refused to say, but he expressed doubt about whether Russia was to blame.

    It’s rather as if Charles Lindbergh had been elected president in 1940.

    Dan Coats, the director of national intelligence, and other American intelligence officials “said they think it’s Russia,” Mr. Trump said. “I have President Putin, he just said it’s not Russia. I don’t see any reason why it would be.”

    Emphasis added.

    But when asked directly whom he believes, Mr. Trump changed the subject to misconduct by Democrats during the campaign.

    The president’s ambivalence, after the indictments of Russian intelligence agents for the election hacking, and after the findings of congressional committees, represents a remarkable divergence between Mr. Trump and the American national security apparatus.

    For “remarkable divergence between Mr. Trump and the American national security apparatus” read “treason.”

    “I addressed directly with President Putin the issue of Russian interference in our elections,” Mr. Trump said. “I felt this was a matter best discussed in person. President Putin may very well want to address it, and very strongly, because he feels very strongly about it, and he has an interesting idea.”

    Ah yes, best discussed in person, between a ruthless murderous former KGB operative and an ignorant reckless toddler.

    Mr. Trump began the day of the meeting by blaming the United States for its poor relationship with Russia, casting aspersions on the federal investigation into Moscow’s cyberattack on the 2016 presidential election, even as he said he felt “just fine” about meeting with Mr. Putin.

    In a pair of tweets sent on Monday before he headed for breakfast at Mantyniemi Palace, a residence of the Finnish president, Mr. Trump twice branded the special counsel investigation into Russia’s election interference the “Rigged Witch Hunt.”

    That investigation, and “many years of U.S. foolishness and stupidity,” he wrote, are why the United States’ relationship with Russia “has NEVER been worse” — a bold claim, given that the history includes periods like the Cuban missile crisis, and the wars in Korea and Vietnam.

    For “bold” read “treasonous.”

    Mr. Trump reiterated the point in his prepared remarks at the news conference with Mr. Putin, saying: “Our relationship has never been worse than it is now. However, that changed as of about four hours ago. I really believe that.”

    Image result for chamberlain peace in our time

    Asked at the news conference if he held Russia at all responsible for conflict with the United States, Mr. Trump said: “Yes, I do, I hold both countries responsible. I think the United States has been foolish. I think we’ve all been foolish.”

    But he did not cite a single specific thing Russia had done to contribute to tensions. And as he often does, Mr. Trump pivoted from the question that was asked to declaring his innocence of collusion with Russian election meddling, and boasting about his electoral victory.

    “That was a clean campaign,” he said. “I beat Hillary Clinton easily and frankly we beat her. We won that race and it’s a shame that there can even be a little bit of a cloud over it. The main thing and we discussed this also: zero collusion.”

    “There was no collusion,” he added. “I didn’t know the president. There was nobody to collude with.”

    For “no collusion” read “treason.”

  • Everyone is numb and in shock

    Reactions to the Trump-Putin press conference:

    https://twitter.com/RogueSNRadvisor/status/1018895593958019073

    https://twitter.com/NormEisen/status/1018891344520142848

    In plain sight.

  • Hiding in plain sight

    Greg Sargent at the Post points out that Trump is colluding with Putin right now, as we watch.

    In Helsinki today, Trump and Putin spoke to reportersbefore entering their private meeting. Trump predicted that “I think we will end up having an extraordinary relationship,” adding that “getting along with Russia is a good thing, not a bad thing.” But as The Post’s write-up puts it: “Trump did not mention Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential campaign as one of the topics to be discussed.”

    On Friday, special counsel Robert S. Mueller III indicted a dozen Russian military intelligence officials in an extraordinary and wide-ranging set of cyberattacks on Hillary Clinton’s campaign and Democratic National Committee officials, alleging a detailed plot to sabotage the election that established the clearest connection yet to the Russian government. Yet not only did Trump fail to say he’d bring up Russian sabotage of our election with Putin, he also tweeted this:

    In blaming only previous U.S. leadership and the current Mueller probe for bad relations with Russia — and not Russia’s attack on our democracy, which is particularly galling, now that this attack has been described in great new detail — Trump is not merely spinning in a way that benefits himself. He’s also giving a gift to Putin, by signaling that he will continue to do all he can to delegitimize efforts to establish the full truth about Russian interference, which in turn telegraphs that Russia can continue such efforts in the future (which U.S. intelligence officials have warned will happen in the 2018 elections). In a sense, by doing this, Trump is colluding with such efforts right now.

    But if he does it out in the open it becomes diplomacy as opposed to collusion with Russia to steal elections. It’s the same logic as the notorious “Russia, if you’re listening” shout-out during the campaign – if he tells Russia to sabotage Clinton right out in the open then it’s just campaigning, not collusion with Russia to steal elections.

    Trump, who himself used the material funneled through WikiLeaks by Russia as a weapon, is in effect now rewarding Russian efforts to supply it, by refusing to treat this sabotage as a crime against our political system. You can, of course, adopt far worse interpretations of what Trump is giving to Putin as part of this basic bargain, and of his motives for doing so. But even if you don’t, this one is now inescapable.

    Feeling helpless yet?