It’s bigotry not to love a Trump fan
It’s not just “viewpoint.” At all.
Eric Kaufmann at National Review thinks willingness to fuck a Trump fan is an index of political open-mindedness. Come on. The vast unexplored foulness of Trump goes way beyond the political, and anybody who can’t see that is, to put it delicately, not desirable.
When a sample of nearly 1,500 female Ivy League students was asked whether they would date a Trump supporter, only 6 percent said yes (after excluding the small minority of the sample who support him [huh?]). So finds a survey of 20,000 university students that the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE) conducted in 2020. While people are free to discriminate however they wish in dating, this attitude bleeds into problematic spheres such as hiring and social toleration.
So if people discriminate in dating in the sense of preferring to date people who are not flamboyantly rude, stupid, sadistic, ignorant, boring, conceited, loud, empty, vulgar, corrupt, dishonest, greedy, exploitative, selfish, and more, they are somehow working against social toleration?
It’s the other way around, chum. Social toleration doesn’t exist in Trumpworld, and we can’t get any more of it by encouraging him to continue being what he is on a public stage. That would be true if he had the most left-wing opinions on the market. It’s not primarily the politics, it’s the person. Nobody should tolerate that person.
Updating to add: see Screechy Monkey’s comment @ 18 for how deceptive that “only 6 percent” is.
Looks like Trump-world has picked up on the trans argument about lesbian ‘bigotry’.
I wouldn’t date a Trump fan. I would prefer not to hire a Trump fan. Being a Trump fan means you are a certain type of person, and not the type of person I like to know.
If one can demand that a gay person fall in love with a “woman who thinks she is a man” despite the reality of sex, I guess one can demand anyone be attracted to a fascist or a Maoist or a religious theocrat or, a Trumpalo.
iknklast: I have to admit I have Trump adjacent friends and coworkers, and my fondness for them actually does transcend that. One thing that helps is that he is not humorless and ideological about it. Nor is he religious in any way. (Unlike his boss, who thinks it is our duty as a citizen to own an arsenal of automatic weapons. Not our right, our duty). Plus, he is a good sounding board for my gender critical views which other coworkers and friends might be less tolerant of.
One of the few things I would have expected conservatives to agree with is that it’s actually important to date people who share your values. I mean, it’s usually conservatives who insist they want to date people who share their religious beliefs, are pro-life, are “traditional,” etc. And certainly they love to insist during election season that supporting Democrats is horrendously immoral. But I guess when it comes to dudes wanting to get laid, they’re willing to (and feel entitled to) slum it with dirty slutty liberal chicks, before settling down with that nice conservative girl who will pretend she’s a virgin and bear their litter of children.
You should only date people who share your values, and your lack on interest in dating people of Group X means your values are wrong; you should change them to match those of Group X.
It’s not the politics, it’s the person. If a potential partner has no empathy, which is the hallmark of Trumpism, then they really are not in my dating pool.
Brian M, I met one of the nicest people I ever knew when I moved to Nebraska. I didn’t imagine he could have horrendous ideas. But he is so scared of immigrants that he approved of children in cages. Suddenly he didn’t seem so nice. Yeah, he’s pleasant, I get along with him in meetings, but there’s always this knowledge underneath my smile that he has such horrendous ideas. Sure I have friends that are Trumpistas. I just wish they weren’t. Because even though the are pleasant people, courteous people, maybe even fun people, they are not nice people.
‘Because even though the are pleasant people, courteous people, maybe even fun people, they are not nice people.’
I have a friend who lives in a red state, and says that her neighbours are pleasant and kind to her. But she is perfectly aware, as are you, that they are pleasant and kind to her because she is white, middle-aged, professional, reasonably ‘normal’ as far as they can tell, and appears to generally share their values (as she’s largely uninterested in attempting to convince them to change their beliefs that immigrants and darker-skinned people are terrifying and Trump has their best interests at heart). She knows that as far as they can tell she’s in the ‘in’ group and therefore not a target for their fear or hatred.
My comments are in square [ ] parentheses.
Note here the Right calling on the Left for support in a campaign all of its very own against academic freedom. ‘Come into my parlour’ said the spider to the fly.
I wonder if Kaufman extends this admonishment to the Trump tribe, that they should be more open to Bernie or Hillary supporters. And maybe that they should lay off the invective for a moment so as to let their real personalities shine through.
Oh, wait. They’re arseholes.
According to THE GROAN:
We will all be forever indebted to Trump I am sure, for pointing out the flying pigs in the sky, and the fact that up is sometimes down and black coal sometimes as white as the driven snow.
It is only thanks to visionaries such as Trump that any progress is made. Now where was I?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/06/donald-trump-hitler-michael-bender-book
@6: I fear that you may be understanding them correctly. Either you, or possibly Screechy @5.
Not just lesbians. Straight women, too, are apparetly expected (by this Twit) to stay with their husbands:
https://uploads.ovarit.com/164b14b4-4c84-5600-848a-353febec9e6c.jpg
And see comment thread here: https://ovarit.com/o/Radfemmery/36035/tra-handmaiden-to-trans-widows-follow-my-lead-you-f-cking-cowards
preferring to date people who are not flamboyantly rude, stupid, sadistic, ignorant, boring, conceited, loud,
No, Ophelia. Liberace was flamboyant. Trump is merely loud.
Hitler is credited with the VW, but he just encouraged Porsche.
Sidenote: My dad drove lot of VW products because my uncle sold them. But when I bought a Mitsubishi, he reminded me that Mitsubishi had manufactured the engines in the Japanese Zeroes that strafed Pearl Harbor at dawn in WWII The Big One. Germans apparently are more forgiving of German industrialists than Japanese Industrialist roles in war machinery.
Colin @ 15 – not to nitpick a joke or anything, but I disagree. I think Trump’s flamboyance is central to his horribleness, and I don’t think “loud” conveys the same thing at all. Plus I said loud in the list of attributes so why would I say he’s loudly loud?
You will be shocked to learn that the National Review article doesn’t even report the survey results honestly.
The question asked (of those who stated they “disapproved” of Trump’s performance as President) was:
“how difficult would it be for you to date someone who supports Donald Trump?” Not “whether they would date a Trump supporter” as the article states.
The 6% number is the percentage who answered “not at all difficult.” An additional 15% said “not too difficult,” and 23% said “somewhat difficult.” 28% said “very difficult,” and only 27% said “impossible.”
Now, you can interpret those results different ways, I suppose, but it seems pretty clear from me that if “impossible” is one of the options presented, it’s hard to interpret any of the other answers as meaning that they categorically wouldn’t date a Trump supporter.
It doesn’t really change my opinion on the subject — I would be fine if it really were true that only 6% would date one — but it’s so damn typical.
Source: https://twitter.com/JeffreyASachs/status/1412763652281733128
Oh ffs. Isn’t honesty supposed to be a core conservative virtue?
@Ophelia Benson #17
Sorry, but Trump simply isn’t flamboyant. To me at least, the word “flamboyant” connotes some taste, of which Trump has none. As for “loudly loud”, I would say just drop the loud.
I bow to your superior wisdom.
Methinks I hear dripping sarcasm in that last comment!