Yeah, there’s constitutional stuff and a disparity between public opinion and representation. With a different court we might be able to overturn Heller (I think?) and then local governments will be able to put weapons bans in place again.
I think the best outcome anyone can reasonably expect (in the future) is wide banning of semi-autos, particularly AR-15s and large capacity handguns. Anything else would require a constitutional amendment which is basically impossible.
RJW
Ophelia/ Blood Knight,
Understood, I forgot that the US Constitution isn’t amended by popular vote (referendums), as here in Australia.
John
Completely futile move based solely on emotions and ideology.
France has very tight gun controls, but they counted for nothing in the charlie Hebdo and Bataclan massacres.
On 911 some 3,000 Americans were killed by jihadists armed only with box-cutters.
Guns aren’t the ’cause’ of these attacks anymore than Zyklon B was the cause of The Holocaust.
“Last year’s Paris attacks killed 130 people, which is nearly as many as die from gun homicides in all of France in a typical year. But even if France had a mass shooting as deadly as the Paris attacks every month, its annual rate of gun homicide death would be lower than that in the United States.”
Would “Jihadi control” have prevented the 49 deaths in Orlando recently?
John
The 911 gang only had box cutters when they high-jacked the planes. They killed 3,000 people and yet didn’t fire a single bullet.
The Boston Marathon killers used pressure-cooker bombs.
Jihadist websites don’t talk about guns all that much; rather they disseminate bomb-making instructions.
Would “Jihadi control” have prevented the 49 deaths in Orlando recently?
Short answer: yes.
The Orlando shooter had been signaled to the FBI on multiple, MULTIPLE occasions ( even by the gun store owner where he bought his guns), and yet no one dared haul him in for some serious questioning cuz brown and Muslim. No one monitored his movements. From what I can tell there no have been no investigations at the mosque he often attended. His wife/girlfriend with whom he cased Disney World and to whom he sent text messages during the massacre has disappeared into thin air. Lorette Lynch hasn’t a clue as to her whereabouts.
This administration is a disgrace. Do you seriously think these bozos could ever have EFFECTIVE gun control programs?
Holms
John, you appear to be arguing that because legislation (or enforcement of legislation) is terrible at the moment, it will always be terrible therefore never attempt any improvement.
Oh John do shut up. Nobody is saying gun control would instantly end all violence in the US.
Freemage
John: Effective “jihadi control” would be more of a police state than anything the NRA could dream up regarding gun-control.
1: Quintuple the size of the federal government, and make all the new hires “jihadi investigators”.
2: Give them completely unchecked right to listen to phone conversations, read email, and so forth. Not just snooper programs, but actual people reading the text and listening to the conversations.
3: Upon any hint of a possible Islamist affiliation (this would, of course, include every Muslim in the country, but also anyone who maybe sorta looked like they might be Muslims), assign a team of 24/7 followers. This team is to be assigned indefinitely, probably until the suspect is arrested or dies, whichever comes first.
4: Censor the media, including the internet, with an iron fist. I’m not just talking about opinion pieces being regulated, here. We’d need to completely prevent any word of any Islamist speech ever from reaching the citizenry at large, because stochastic terrorism doesn’t work by giving orders, but by spreading ‘inspiration’.
5: Toss out the need for a trial; an accusation by the government would be considered de facto proof of terrorist intention, sufficient for a life sentence (or just the death penalty).
After all, anything less than the above would eventually let a potential bomber/shooter through the cracks, and then you and your fellows would all deride the lax jihadi controls in place.
And even then, MP Jo Cox and Dr. George Tiller would still be dead, because they were shot by angry white men, whom you don’t consider to be terrorists.
Blood Knight in Sour Armor
@John:
Eliminating fast loading semi autos (mostly hand guns and military-styled rifles with detachable magazines) would go a long way towards decreasing the lethality of mass shootings. You can’t kill as many people when you have to reload, even with stripper clips and speed loaders, and it is a lot hard to achieve the same combined accuracy/rate of fire with non semi-autos.
This time at that club it was an Islamist asshole, but the rest of the time it’s an entitled white asshole. You wouldn’t have 49 dead without semi-automatics.
Americans can keep their ‘cultural weapons’, to protect their liberties, or to protect themselves from other Americans, it’s your business. However let’s stop the nonsense that restrictive gun laws ‘don’t work’.
This foreigner cherishes his right to a comparatively very reduced risk of getting shot over an argument over a parking space,
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15 responses to “What would make Congress do what is right?”
Q. What would make Congress do what is right?
A. The US voters, however they don’t seem interested
No, it’s not that simple.
Yeah, there’s constitutional stuff and a disparity between public opinion and representation. With a different court we might be able to overturn Heller (I think?) and then local governments will be able to put weapons bans in place again.
I think the best outcome anyone can reasonably expect (in the future) is wide banning of semi-autos, particularly AR-15s and large capacity handguns. Anything else would require a constitutional amendment which is basically impossible.
Ophelia/ Blood Knight,
Understood, I forgot that the US Constitution isn’t amended by popular vote (referendums), as here in Australia.
Completely futile move based solely on emotions and ideology.
France has very tight gun controls, but they counted for nothing in the charlie Hebdo and Bataclan massacres.
On 911 some 3,000 Americans were killed by jihadists armed only with box-cutters.
Guns aren’t the ’cause’ of these attacks anymore than Zyklon B was the cause of The Holocaust.
We need Jihadist control, not gun control.
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Uh huh.
@ John
“Last year’s Paris attacks killed 130 people, which is nearly as many as die from gun homicides in all of France in a typical year. But even if France had a mass shooting as deadly as the Paris attacks every month, its annual rate of gun homicide death would be lower than that in the United States.”
Source: NY Times, http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/14/upshot/compare-these-gun-death-rates-the-us-is-in-a-different-world.html
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@ John #5
Would “Jihadi control” have prevented the 49 deaths in Orlando recently?
The 911 gang only had box cutters when they high-jacked the planes. They killed 3,000 people and yet didn’t fire a single bullet.
The Boston Marathon killers used pressure-cooker bombs.
Jihadist websites don’t talk about guns all that much; rather they disseminate bomb-making instructions.
Would “Jihadi control” have prevented the 49 deaths in Orlando recently?
Short answer: yes.
The Orlando shooter had been signaled to the FBI on multiple, MULTIPLE occasions ( even by the gun store owner where he bought his guns), and yet no one dared haul him in for some serious questioning cuz brown and Muslim. No one monitored his movements. From what I can tell there no have been no investigations at the mosque he often attended. His wife/girlfriend with whom he cased Disney World and to whom he sent text messages during the massacre has disappeared into thin air. Lorette Lynch hasn’t a clue as to her whereabouts.
This administration is a disgrace. Do you seriously think these bozos could ever have EFFECTIVE gun control programs?
John, you appear to be arguing that because legislation (or enforcement of legislation) is terrible at the moment, it will always be terrible therefore never attempt any improvement.
Oh John do shut up. Nobody is saying gun control would instantly end all violence in the US.
John: Effective “jihadi control” would be more of a police state than anything the NRA could dream up regarding gun-control.
1: Quintuple the size of the federal government, and make all the new hires “jihadi investigators”.
2: Give them completely unchecked right to listen to phone conversations, read email, and so forth. Not just snooper programs, but actual people reading the text and listening to the conversations.
3: Upon any hint of a possible Islamist affiliation (this would, of course, include every Muslim in the country, but also anyone who maybe sorta looked like they might be Muslims), assign a team of 24/7 followers. This team is to be assigned indefinitely, probably until the suspect is arrested or dies, whichever comes first.
4: Censor the media, including the internet, with an iron fist. I’m not just talking about opinion pieces being regulated, here. We’d need to completely prevent any word of any Islamist speech ever from reaching the citizenry at large, because stochastic terrorism doesn’t work by giving orders, but by spreading ‘inspiration’.
5: Toss out the need for a trial; an accusation by the government would be considered de facto proof of terrorist intention, sufficient for a life sentence (or just the death penalty).
After all, anything less than the above would eventually let a potential bomber/shooter through the cracks, and then you and your fellows would all deride the lax jihadi controls in place.
And even then, MP Jo Cox and Dr. George Tiller would still be dead, because they were shot by angry white men, whom you don’t consider to be terrorists.
@John:
Eliminating fast loading semi autos (mostly hand guns and military-styled rifles with detachable magazines) would go a long way towards decreasing the lethality of mass shootings. You can’t kill as many people when you have to reload, even with stripper clips and speed loaders, and it is a lot hard to achieve the same combined accuracy/rate of fire with non semi-autos.
This time at that club it was an Islamist asshole, but the rest of the time it’s an entitled white asshole. You wouldn’t have 49 dead without semi-automatics.
Gun control laws are effective, here’s the data.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/23/australias-gun-laws-stopped-mass-shootings-and-reduced-homicides-study-finds
No more ‘arguing from first principles’ bullshit.
Americans can keep their ‘cultural weapons’, to protect their liberties, or to protect themselves from other Americans, it’s your business. However let’s stop the nonsense that restrictive gun laws ‘don’t work’.
This foreigner cherishes his right to a comparatively very reduced risk of getting shot over an argument over a parking space,