Threats no problem

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15 responses to “Threats no problem”

1. 

   Blood Knight in Sour Armor

   Jul 14, 2018 3:42 PM

   I don’t see too many “skull fuck Mike Pence” posts… What was this about having to deal with bigots?
2. 

   Skeletor

   Jul 14, 2018 4:38 PM

   They have to harass people to blow off steam because they were harassed? Makes perfect sense. A lot of steam out there apparently.

   From what I’ve seen the so-called TERFs are almost always the ones getting attacked. They’re accepting of trans people and on their side for just about everything, but they don’t feel others should be allowed to impose a new definition of “women” on them, so they have to be fought tooth and nail until they submit.
3. 

   Skeletor

   Jul 14, 2018 4:42 PM

   I see Avery’s continued spouting her wisdom:

   TERFs aren’t a bunch of innocent philosophers politely disagreeing with “the current gender ideology” by posting online or holding “debates”. They are a hate group with the sole goal of empowering themselves by eradicating trans people.

   Cis women TERFs absolutely play a vital part in creating the social environment that encourages and excuses cis men’s violence against trans women.

   Yeah, not what I’m seeing.
4. 

   Skeletor

   Jul 14, 2018 5:32 PM

   Avery Edison has figured it all out:

   Cis people are terrified of trans people because we know more about gender and sexuality than they ever will, AND we know what the insides of BOTH bathrooms look like.
5. 

   Ophelia Benson

   Jul 14, 2018 5:36 PM

   Ha, I singled that one out for mockery on Facebook a few hours ago. What on earth is terrifying about knowing what the insides of both restrooms look like?
6. 

   Blood Knight in Sour Armor

   Jul 14, 2018 5:36 PM

   I know what the insides of both bathrooms look like too… It’s not that weird to use the women’s restroom if nothing else is free/clean (and vice versa).

   No one’s terrified of trans people but I can’t look at a trans woman without suspicion anymore post TERF War on FTB… And I hate that this is the case because I’m on their side…
7. 

   Lady Mondegreen

   Jul 14, 2018 9:08 PM

   Avery, you dishonest twerp, there is no way to disagree with transgender ideology without being accused of:

   “Constantly provoked by bigots” “Denying us our humanity” “a hate group with the sole goal of empowering themselves by eradicating trans people” “[they] play a vital part in creating the social environment that encourages and excuses cis men’s violence against trans women”

   Threats and assaults are all of a piece with your hyperbolic, histrionic, cultish little movement.
8. 

   Holms

   Jul 15, 2018 6:00 AM

   The remarkable thing for me is that the “blowing off steam” excuse is almost certainly going to be dismissed if it is used to excuse male violence against women, yet they go ahead and use it with no self awareness to excuse the violent imagery and harassment they use themselves. Interesting that in both cases, the excuse is being used in reference to violent imagery and harassment directed at… women.

   What next, “It’s just locker-room talk”?
9. 

   John the Drunkard

   Jul 15, 2018 7:06 AM

   Let’s all beat up some lesbians…because somehow THEY are responsible for the violence of trans-phobic men. Or is it just because the men might fight back?
10. 

    Skeletor

    Jul 15, 2018 8:30 AM

    So Avery Edison linked approvingly to a Buzzfeed article that used the term TERF while noting it’s considered a slur by the recipients of it by linking to this article:

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/feminism/2017/09/what-terf-how-internet-buzzword-became-mainstream-slur

    Which is interesting because it tends to undermine their claim that feminists are initiating the violence:

    One of the women there for the “What is Gender” event was 60-year-old Maria MacLachlan. Janice Turner of the Times was also there. Here is her account of what happened next:

    “So at Speakers’ Corner trans activists and feminists were chanting and taunting each other. Maria was taking photographs when an opponent grappled with her, snatched her camera and smashed it on the ground. Then a tall, male-bodied, hooded figure wearing make-up rushed over, hit her several times and as police arrived, ran away. I asked a young activist if she was OK with men smacking women: ‘It’s not a guy, you’re a piece of s*** and I’m happy they hit her’, came the reply.”

    The violence is shocking, but the immediate justification of it is somehow even more so. While Action for Trans Health London said it condemned violence against women, the Edinburgh branch issued a series of uncompromising tweets stating that “punching terfs is the same as punching Nazis. Fascism must be smashed with the greatest violence to ensure our collective liberation from it”, and “violence against terfs is always self defence” (it also accused the London branch of “undermining” its stance).

    In other words, there is a fringe of people who think it is OK – more than OK, laudable – to hit a 60-year-old woman if she thinks the wrong thing, because thinking the wrong thing is understood to be an act of aggression in itself.

    And it is women specifically who elicit these vicious reactions. In November last year, the fundamentalist campaign group Christian Concern held a conference in London on trans issues called “The New Normal: Tackling Sexuality and Gender Confusion Amongst Children and Young People”. Among its speakers were a former Ukip candidate who had been expelled from the party for homophobia, and a therapist who claimed to be able to counsel people out of same-sex attraction. “The New Normal” was openly publicised and easy to access. It went off without disruption and unprotested.
11. 

    Ophelia Benson

    Jul 15, 2018 8:48 AM

    Yes, we know. I wrote quite a lot about it at the time – for instance here:

    http://www.butterfliesandwheels.org/2017/behold-a-cauldron-of-violent-vitriol/
12. 

    Screechy Monkey

    Jul 15, 2018 9:48 AM

    Ok, I think I’ve got the principles down right:

    “Fuck off TERFs. I’ve got a bloody baseball bat just for you” = just blowing off steam

    “I respect trans people’s right to live their lives as they please, but I’m not sure I agree with their definition of ‘women’ as it seems logically flawed and has troubling implications” = a violent bullying assault on trans people, who have high rates of suicide and YOU LIKE THAT DON’T YOU! YOU WANT US ALL TO KILL OURSELVES MERELY FOR EXISTING, YOU’RE TRYING TO MURDER ME RIGHT NOW!
13. 

    Holms

    Jul 15, 2018 12:11 PM

    #10 #11

    And defended to the hilt by the incredibly nasty Siobhan (sp?) over at FTB.
14. 

    Ophelia Benson

    Jul 15, 2018 12:55 PM

    Oh yes? I missed that. Ugh.
15. 

    Skeletor

    Jul 15, 2018 5:04 PM

    Sorry for the repeat, I didn’t see it at the time…