“Cis lesbians…aren’t always into that”
Not just any old logic but exciting new trans logic.
Particularly stupid is the “What? Like, they won’t date you just because you’re trans?”
No, fool. Not “just because you’re trans”; because you’re male, with a male body. “Cis lesbians” i.e. lesbians “aren’t always into that” because lesbians are into women, with female bodies. Bullying lesbians for being attracted to women is just plain old homophobia.
If Aisha wants to “date” how about Aisha dates other “trans lesbians”?
Also Pheobe’s final panel is rich. “To turn around and hate trans girls just for being trans, and for loving who they love?” Not wanting to “date” i.e. have sex with male bodies is not hatred. It’s a sexual orientation, which is what lesbian and gay are about. It’s desperately homophobic to try to mandate that that doesn’t apply when it comes to trans people.
I was also a bit disturbed by the way it escalated from “ lesbians won’t date/have sex with trans women” to “lesbians hate trans women.” This all-or-nothing attitude doesn’t speak well for the tolerance levels of those who have it.
So was I. That’s what I was trying to get at in the final paragraph, but the sheer abundance of the wrong can make it hard to be clear enough.
Most people don’t want to have sex with their children, for instance, and that doesn’t mean they hate them. Not wanting to have sex with IS NOT HATRED.
It’s all just incel crap in a different costume.
People express (or implicitly reveal) all sorts of preferences when it comes to dating. Height, weight, hair color, etc. With a few exceptions (e.g. you don’t find anyone of a particular race attractive?), we understand that it works that way and that it’s unfair and unrealistic to expect people to date based solely on “who they are inside.”
Also, I know some people* are really fond of snarking about “why do you care so much about other people’s genitals,” but here is a case where people really are entitled to know about someone else’s genitals, because at some point they’re expected to interact with them!
*– Do we have a term? I hate to use “trans advocates,” because many people who advocate trans rights to, e.g., not be denied housing or employment, are reasonable. “Trans extremists”?
“Trans dogmatists” is one way I try to distinguish between the reasonable and the not.
I’ve thought this would be a great litmus test. I consider AGP “trans lesbians” to just be plain old heterosexual males. It would be quite telling if they refused to date other “trans lesbians” in preference to natal women, wouldn’t it? How would they explain it away? If TWAW, then they would have no reason or excuse to prefer natal women. But I bet most do. So I would also bet that for them, personally at least, TW AREN’T W. Particularly intact trans identified males. I would bet for these “lesbians”, only “real” women would do.
Just a hunch…
YNNB, you beat me to it. That seems so obvious. They don’t want to date trans women because they, too, want to date people with female sexual organs.
I have never encountered a CIS woman who thought she was entitled to sex. I have never read an article by a CIS woman who thought that having a vagina meant that lesbians should be attracted to her, nor have I seen any articles by women claiming that having a vagina means that men should automatically find her attractive.
You know who does think that there is some magical formula which obliges women to have to have sex with them? Douchebags.
Common, garden variety and very male douchebags, who women can’t leave alone with their drink.
It doesn’t matter why someone doesn’t want to date you, it doesn’t matter what you feel about them, if they don’t consent they don’t fucking consent, and trying to pressure them into it? That’s not just stereotypical male behaviour, that’s stereotypical fucking rapist.
I would still love to hear an explanation reconciling a trans woman’s desire to date the female sex with the credo “trans women are women”. What happened to it being ‘reducing people to their genitals’ to prefer a certain sex?
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I go with TRA to make the visible comparison to MRA.
Perhaps I’m engaging in stereotypes about gay culture, but I suspect that there’s a reason why there aren’t comics lecturing cis gay men that they aren’t allowed to “swipe left” on someone based on such minor details as their face, abs, or genitals.
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Why are transwomen always illustrated as though they pass for women? One of the major reasons lots of lesbians aren’t attracted to transwomen is because most of them look like men.
How much spleen and invective is vented by trans-women toward ‘cis men’ who don’t find them attractive?
It seems inescapable that instances of actual, real-life, violence against trans women are committed by MEN. Any lesbians out there wrapping barbed wire around baseball bats for ‘trannies?’