Up past midnight

David Frum is on a tear.

The author in question is Anne Applebaum.

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7 responses to “Up past midnight”

  1. Skeletor Avatar

    I agree with almost all of what David Frum says, but I don’t think it’s correct to say nobody says “Spanish flu” anymore:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu

    It seemed to have been called that through the whole Wikipedia article without controversy, but if you look at the edit history you can see there have been an explosion of edits of people changing it back and forth in recent days. There’s now a proposal to change the article title and the article is locked.

    So rather than “the Spanish flu” being considered an obsolete term indicating we shouldn’t use a location-based name for SARS-CoV-2 / COVID-19, it looks more like the controversy over that is retroactively making “Spanish flu” seem offensive.

    I agree with Frum that we have proper names for the current virus and sickness, so using obsolete “Wuhan” names is pointless and coming up with stupid “China” names as Trump is doing is offensive.

    Also pointless and offensive (to my sensibilities): Calling it the generic “coronavirus”. Ugh. And, yes, I’ve seen this:

    https://xkcd.com/2275/

    Nice try, Randall, but I’m not buying it.

  2. Ophelia Benson Avatar

    Hmm. “Spanish flu” feels very unfamiliar to me. It’s called the 1918 flu now, I think. I think if I’d heard or read “the Spanish flu” a few months ago I would have wondered what was meant. I don’t know that that has anything to do with offensiveness; it could be for other reasons.

  3. Ophelia Benson Avatar

    I think the 1918 flu started in a crowded US army barracks, didn’t it? In Kansas?

    Answering self: No, not the flu as a whole, the US part of it.

  4. tigger_the_wing Avatar
    tigger_the_wing

    My husband doesn’t think that we should be calling it ‘the Chinese virus’. He thinks that we should be calling it ‘Trump Disease’.

    Or ‘BoJo Disease’ in the UK.

  5. John the Drunkard Avatar
    John the Drunkard

    1918 has several possible origin spots. The Kansas barracks is one, a huge Royal Army depot in France, which included a large pig farm, is another.

    That is was called ‘Spanish’ is very significant. The major powers at war suppressed reporting on the disease, it could have given the enemy an advantage to know how ill the opposing forces were. Spain was neutral, and the Spanish press was the first to report on the new epidemic. Thus the illusion/impression that Spain was the point of origin.

  6. iknklast Avatar

    Also pointless and offensive (to my sensibilities): Calling it the generic “coronavirus”.

    Definitely agree on this. My brother-in-law is telling my son “Know what you get when you get corona virus? A cold!” My son listens to the medical experts, not his uncle, thankfully. But I’m worried about my elderly father, who does tend to listen to my brother-in-law, who is considered the “scientist in the family”. He has a one-year vo-tech certificate in respiratory therapy, which includes anatomy and physiology, so they listen to him over doctors – and consider him the scientist in the family over the person with a Ph.D. in science who has done original research and published in the field. Yeah.

    Oh, and my dad’s other source of information tends to be — Trump.

  7. Sackbut Avatar

    Up until this conversation, I’d always called it the Spanish Flu (of 1918), and had no idea that terminology was deprecated. It never occurred to me. Thanks. Learn something new every day (well, many days).