For this gay, homosexual, gay, male man, that birth doula is my new hero. (F “heroine.” Sounds like a drug.)
Sastra
Hope that student midwife gets to graduate. She posted a follow-up video where she compares people who want maternity organizations to eliminate the word “woman” because they’re not included to straight people walking in to a gay bar and demanding the description “gay” be dropped because they’re in the bar, and not gay.
Not sure the analogy holds because the people being “excluded” are pregnant transmen: women who hate their bodies so much they want no reminders that they’re female, but somehow aren’t triggered with unwelcome reminders when they conceive and birth a baby. One would think that was an empty set.
Of course, transmen could just start explaining that “men can be mothers, too,” but that’s apparently already been excluded.
Sackbut
Re #2
I can imagine no stronger reminder that one is female than being pregnant and birthing a child. Perhaps that’s why there is such a huge investment in demanding that people agree that men can be pregnant, man can bear children, fathers can give birth, it’s not an indication you’re female, nuh uh, only those transphobic bigots say that.
The analogy with the gay bar is a bit strange. It might work if the “straight” guys were actually gay, just unwilling to admit it.
Sastra
@Sackbut;
I think the analogy to the gay bar is directed towards transwomen instead of transmen. The “women” are not mothers/ straight people are not gay.
Me
“Not sure the analogy holds because the people being “excluded” are pregnant transmen: women who hate their bodies so much they want no reminders that they’re female, but somehow aren’t triggered with unwelcome reminders when they conceive and birth a baby. One would think that was an empty set.”
Or maybe it’s all just a lot of hooey.
Tim Harris
There is the following article by Sonia Sodha in the Guardian today:
One wonders whether it will cause another outburst from Owen Jones and another sacking of a woman who criticises in a fair and intelligent way obnoxious dogmas, policies and practices, or whether it might lead to the reinstatement of Suzanne Moore. The former, alas, seems more likely than the latter, though it will probably not occur since the tide, which the Guardian has so far swum with, is clearly turning. But if the Guardian is going to permit this kind of article by a woman to be published, it would not be wrong to demand, and expect in the not too distant future, some sort of apology for the disgraceful treatment of Suzanne Moore.
KBPlayer
@Tim Harris #6 – It’s The Observer rather than the Guardian. It has-a different editorial team, Owen Jones doesn’t work for it and it has been saner than the Graun on the subject.
Thoroughly confusing – particularly when it is not clear from the Grauniad website that something appeared in the Guardian or the Observer, unless it is an Observer editorial.
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For this gay, homosexual, gay, male man, that birth doula is my new hero. (F “heroine.” Sounds like a drug.)
Hope that student midwife gets to graduate. She posted a follow-up video where she compares people who want maternity organizations to eliminate the word “woman” because they’re not included to straight people walking in to a gay bar and demanding the description “gay” be dropped because they’re in the bar, and not gay.
Not sure the analogy holds because the people being “excluded” are pregnant transmen: women who hate their bodies so much they want no reminders that they’re female, but somehow aren’t triggered with unwelcome reminders when they conceive and birth a baby. One would think that was an empty set.
Of course, transmen could just start explaining that “men can be mothers, too,” but that’s apparently already been excluded.
Re #2
I can imagine no stronger reminder that one is female than being pregnant and birthing a child. Perhaps that’s why there is such a huge investment in demanding that people agree that men can be pregnant, man can bear children, fathers can give birth, it’s not an indication you’re female, nuh uh, only those transphobic bigots say that.
The analogy with the gay bar is a bit strange. It might work if the “straight” guys were actually gay, just unwilling to admit it.
@Sackbut;
I think the analogy to the gay bar is directed towards transwomen instead of transmen. The “women” are not mothers/ straight people are not gay.
“Not sure the analogy holds because the people being “excluded” are pregnant transmen: women who hate their bodies so much they want no reminders that they’re female, but somehow aren’t triggered with unwelcome reminders when they conceive and birth a baby. One would think that was an empty set.”
Or maybe it’s all just a lot of hooey.
There is the following article by Sonia Sodha in the Guardian today:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jun/06/stonewall-risks-all-it-has-fought-for-in-accusing-those-who-disagree-with-it-of-hate-speech
One wonders whether it will cause another outburst from Owen Jones and another sacking of a woman who criticises in a fair and intelligent way obnoxious dogmas, policies and practices, or whether it might lead to the reinstatement of Suzanne Moore. The former, alas, seems more likely than the latter, though it will probably not occur since the tide, which the Guardian has so far swum with, is clearly turning. But if the Guardian is going to permit this kind of article by a woman to be published, it would not be wrong to demand, and expect in the not too distant future, some sort of apology for the disgraceful treatment of Suzanne Moore.
@Tim Harris #6 – It’s The Observer rather than the Guardian. It has-a different editorial team, Owen Jones doesn’t work for it and it has been saner than the Graun on the subject.
Confusing of them to have guardian in the url.
Thoroughly confusing – particularly when it is not clear from the Grauniad website that something appeared in the Guardian or the Observer, unless it is an Observer editorial.