But, no, we really don’t know that. How could we?
But even if we assume that’s true (and crystal clear, and easy to understand, and universally acknowledged), how does anyone know who is which?
This is surely a very basic question, and it seems to be one that no trans “ally” will answer. It sure as hell seems that Laurie Penny will never answer it.
Just to clarify, nobody can tell who is which.
It’s not? What did she say?
Well, ok, she didn’t say “she’s rude for staring,” she said “I’d advise her not to stare at other people’s genitals without their permission, because it’s rude.” It’s not the identical wording, true, but the meaning? The meaning is the same. I think Laurie Penny is the one who is being “silly” here.
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I’ll go further and say that it doesn’t necessarily matter which is which.
Let’s say a man enters a woman’s changing room to change his clothes He avoids the men’s room for some unspecified but ordinary reason (it’s locked; it’s filthy; it’s filled with people he wants to avoid, etc) He has no interest in anything but changing his clothes. We can even make him gay, and oblivious to naked women’s bodies.
He’s still going to make women uncomfortable, he’s still going to worry little girls — because it’s a naked male body. They don’t want to see that. It’s invasive. To the young, it’s alarming. This isn’t a nudist camp and they’re not all nudists.
The man is being, at the very least, rude and insensitive.
I think we need to have a philosophical discussion with our children on the nature of flashing versus just plain getting naked in a locker room. We need to teach them that #notallmen are men, and #notalltrans are flashing, right? It’s important for them to understand that if they have a thing between their legs it could be a lady boything or a man boything and if they are in a girl’s locker room not to worry because it’s a lady boything and it would embarrass them if they made a big deal about it. Little girls should behave an be quiet and not embarrass adults by trying to get away from them. Don’t be rude. It’s not really stranger danger.
And who would ask such a question during #PRIDE?
It doesn’t take much looking to find examples of men bragging online about the sexual thrill that they got by undressing in front of girls in changing rooms. “Jessica” Yaniv, anyone, and his desire to “help” girls with tampons in the aforementioned changing rooms?
Of course, Yaniv is a well known predator because he outed himself as one, but he’s surely not the only one. He’s probably among the stupidest, as a matter of fact. It’s surely guaranteed that most male predators are far more intelligent and would try to hide their identity and behind the I-just-want-to-pee reasoning in order to indulge themselves at these girls’ expense. As ever, the question remains: how do we know who has bad intentions, and who does not?
Laurie Penny is an idiot. THAT we do know.
Sorry, Michael. A “LADY BOYTHING” is nonsense. A category error, no matter what the confused think, say, and enforce. Not that I disagree with the rest of your post, but.
“…without their permission…” like it’s a permissable thing for children to stare at genitals? By invitation only or wtf?
It reminds me of a story I read once about some missionaries who set up shop on some south sea island, and built a change room for swimmers. After the missionaries explained its purpose, the locals of both XX and XY persuasions obliged by using the change room to take off their clothes in the normal fashion, before walking out stark naked and entering the sea, again in the normal fashion.
Laurie Penny does not need a change room, if the whole exercise is about not inflicting the sight of his / her / its nnaked body on little girls, he / she / it is defeating his / her / its own purpose, and might as well just change on the beach or wherever.
As Hamlet said, the rest is bullshit.
So, it’s a girl boything, Brian?
Glosswitch’s newsletter today is about this, and it’s excellent.
The whole thing is good.
MIchael: It (the penis) is by definition a “boy thing”. Adding “lady” or “girl” to it doesn’t change the biological reality. Even if you feel deep down inside you are not male. You are. Deal with it. Even if you feel like you are literallt stabbed with a knife in the stomach if someone acknowledges the reality.
Heck, I hate zoom meeting because I hate hate hate seeing my old face on the screen,
I know!
I am really eternally 22 years old and I will insist that everyone call me a Generation Z member and I will have deep invasive surgery to remove all the wrinkles and bring out the true eternal youthful nature of me and my body! I am “trans-aged”. There are literally on average 80 different ages people can be in the United States right now. How dare we rely on such oppressive documents as “birth certificates” and “drivers’ licenses” to deny our true youthful selves!
Brian, I think it’s clear that Michael’s comment #2 is intended as satire.
Ya. Mike is definitely mocking the nonsense, Brian.
Poe’s Law is often not Poe’s LoL.
Brian, I’m honored. Thank you.
Oh shoot. I am so bad. Like all religions, the trans religion lends itself to POEs. And I fell for it in all my clueless fury, Mea culpa. Carry on, good xir.
“I think Laurie Penny is the one who is being “silly” here.”
Why so coy? She is being blatantly disingenuous.