He has no problem if
Men telling women what they will allow us to think. Quite the spectacle.
That “provided.” He’ll allow it, provided we do what he tells us. He’ll allow us to be aware of reality, provided we obey him. All we have to do is ignore everything we know about men’s physical advantages over women and what some men do with those physical advantages.
Also in what world is anyone “entitled” to be treated as something they manifestly are not? That’s not a rule. It’s never been a rule. Adults often go along with children’s fantasies and playacting because that’s fun for everyone, but there comes a time to put away childish things. If a work colleague bounces in one day and claims to be Barack Obama is anyone obliged to “treat the colleague as” Barack Obama? Of course not. You could swap as many terms for “Barack Obama” as there are nouns in the language, and the answer would be the same. Nobody is “entitled” to force other people to participate in fantasy role play.
Also it’s not a matter of “wishing” to have a “belief” that people are what they are. We don’t “wish” to have it, we just have it, and it’s not a “belief,” it’s awareness. We can’t help being aware of what we’re aware of. If we’re outside at midnight and it’s cold and raining we’re aware of it; we can’t make it be noon and warm and sunny by “wishing.”
In short Craig Murray is a pompous bossy git.
I like Katharine’s reply. The existential truth will out. :)
In any practical sense, giving approval to a belief while disapproving of its concomitant behaviours is indistinguishable from disapproval of the belief.
Yes it is, it’s an oxymoron.
I’d like this emblazoned on a tee shirt.
If trans women are not women, why are they entitled to being treated as women?
Note: Not why is it “nice” or “kind” or “inclusive” to treat them as women. Whence comes entitlement? (Aside from traditional male entitlement to females.)
Craig (a former colleague whom I know, and like on a personal level, but whose views and actions I have very mixed feelings about) clearly diverges from CS Peirce’s position, roughly stated, that “a belief is that on which we are prepared to act”. A belief about basic biology isn’t something one should ever have to be silent about, for fear of being treated as a heretic. So yes, Craig is a bossy censorious git here, and if he had more consistency or self-awareness he would realise that his beliefs on trans issues are in conflict with his activism in other areas, where he is generally opposed to arbitrary oppression.
If we accept self ID without the possibility of criticism or questioning, then NO trans women are entitled to be treated as women. The actual percentage of crackpots, weirdos, and predators ready to ‘self ID’ their way into showers, or women’s prisons may be small, but the mischief they do is amplified when TRAs categorically refuse to accept that the issue is real.
The Catholic Church doesn’t need any protection for children under their care: the priests all identify as celibate.
Didn’t Stonewall take measures to keep NAMBLA away from gay rights events?