Not to him maybe

Even at his dumbest and most dogmatic and fingers-in-ears how can he think he knows this?

https://twitter.com/jasonintrator/status/1537901875017633797

He can’t know that; no one can; it’s not possible. It’s not knowable that zero men who identify as women will ever rape anyone or that zero men who identify as women ever have raped anyone. There are in fact reports of trans women raping women. I would love to know how he, a philosopher, thinks he can know that it has never happened and will never happen.

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8 responses to “Not to him maybe”

  1. iknklast Avatar

    Not to mention, how could a professional philosopher, presumably with a higher level of education, so misunderstand the question? Why does he assume transwomen are males? He can’t answer that question, because the only answer is because they are males.

  2. Ophelia Benson Avatar

    That too, but what specifically interests me about this response is how he can think he knows that. For an adult and an academic it’s like not knowing how to count past 4.

  3. tigger_the_wing Avatar
    tigger_the_wing

    He’s not even making a genuine argument – this is exactly the kind of puerile ‘Gotcha!’ response adults get from young teens, and atheists get from theists. It’s a blatant mis-representation of what she wrote. And what’s more, those teens and theists usually only make that response in spoken arguments, where it is harder for the anyone to find out exactly what their interlocutor actually said – so this response makes him look incredibly stupid.

    Jason Stanley @jasonintrator · 22h

    Replying to @Bolshie_Woman @Liesl_lseil and 2 others

    Honestly, the view that trans women are a threat to the existing social order is not at all like the view that the earth is round.

    Danni @DanniBrener·21h

    Hi (again) Jason! Perhaps you’ll answer this time… since 98+% of violent crime is committed by males & this doesn’t change with alternative gender IDs, what is your foolproof method for visually separating the “good” men from the “bad” men? Can you answer w/o calling me a Nazi?

    Jason Stanley @jasonintrator · 21h

    I don’t dialogue with people who associate minority groups (in this case trans women) with rape.

    Danni @DanniBrener · 21h

    I did not associate a minority group with rape. I associated males with violent crime. I said “male” but yet you immediately come back with “trans women.” Hmmm…I think you just gave away your true thoughts there, Prof.

    Jason Stanley @jasonintrator · 21h

    Your point is not relevant to any point I made except insofar as it is evidence that trans women are rape threats. So maybe you just aren’t addressing me.

    Danni @DanniBrener · 21h

    I am addressing you and I can’t understand why you are playing dumb. Please address either of my points. Men are responsible for violent crime regardless of gender ID. When I said males, you assumed trans women. So why do *you* assume tw are males and are therefore a threat?

    Jason Stanley @jasonintrator

    Replying to @DanniBrener

    Ok, so we are both agreed that trans women are NOT a rape threat. So there is no disagreement between us and this discussion is over.

    Adult: “It’s not fair to other people when you take food without asking permission.”

    Teen: “Why are you always going on about the biscuits disappearing?”

    Adult: “I didn’t mention biscuits. This is interesting. Why did you think I was accusing you of stealing the biscuits?”

    Teen: “Aha! So you admit no-one has been stealing the biscuits! I can go to my friend’s house after all!”

  4. Peter N Avatar

    Ahem. 98 convicted male sex offenders, serial killers, etc. who “identify as women” and have tried to be sent to women’s prisons.

  5. Your Name's not Bruce? Avatar
    Your Name’s not Bruce?

    Danni @DanniBrener · 21h

    I did not associate a minority group with rape. I associated males with violent crime. I said “male” but yet you immediately come back with “trans women.” Hmmm…I think you just gave away your true thoughts there, Prof.

    Yes, he does give the game away. And having been caught, he has to be extra-aggressively dismissive and condescending (which he already had dialed up to eleven) in order to distract and cover up this error.

    For an adult and an academic it’s like not knowing how to count past 4.

    Good point. Have we ever seen him count past four?

    Adult: “It’s not fair to other people when you take food without asking permission.”

    Teen: “Why are you always going on about the biscuits disappearing?”

    Jason Stanley: Biscuit Thief.

  6. Your Name's not Bruce? Avatar
    Your Name’s not Bruce?

    Danni @DanniBrener·21h

    Hi (again) Jason! Perhaps you’ll answer this time… since 98+% of violent crime is committed by males & this doesn’t change with alternative gender IDs, what is your foolproof method for visually separating the “good” men from the “bad” men? Can you answer w/o calling me a Nazi?

    Jason Stanley @jasonintrator · 21h

    I don’t dialogue with people who associate minority groups (in this case trans women) with rape.

    Danni @DanniBrener · 21h

    I did not associate a minority group with rape. I associated males with violent crime. I said “male” but yet you immediately come back with “trans women.” Hmmm…I think you just gave away your true thoughts there, Prof.

    Something I forgot to emphasize above is that I noticed he makes three telling leaps at the same time:

    males => trans women, and trans women=>[embattled minority group], and violent crime=> rape. He was primed to do exactly that because this connection (which he is so strenuously trying to both avoid and deny) is uppermost on his mind. His hair-trigger desperation to paint any and all such connections and suggestions as bigotry shows that this is a sensative point for him, to the extent that he goes looking for it and finds it when it’s not there. Never mind that this sort of po-faced disengenuousness gaslights all the women inmates who have already suffered at the hands of (conveniently trans-idenifying) male RAPISTS imprisoned with them. It’s like he’s saying “The answer is: ‘Trans women aren’t rapists.’ What was the question?” If he truly believed what he’s been saying, wouldn’t he be fighting for the freedom of the wrongfully incarcerated [embattled minority group] TiMs who have been unjustly, impossibly, accused and convicted of rape?

    As Ophelia points out, he can’t possibly know this. If he did know this, could he provide us with a complete list of any other crimes or offences we are compelled, a priori, to pre-emptively exclude TiMs from ever committing? Jay walking? Shoplifting? Parking in front of fire hydrants? Burglary? Arson? Are they absolutely, automatically incapable of everything criminal, or just the rapes? A list like that would sure come in handy.

    How do you know, Jason? This would be a bit of epistemology that they would be reading still in 200 years. Here’s your chance! You’ve written articles and books and all; it should be a piece of cake. Unless…. Wait. You wouldn’t make an unsupported claim in an argument, would you?

  7. twiliter Avatar

    Jason Stanley’s “philosophy” in 3 words. >> Impertinence demonstrates superiority. (as seen on twitter)

  8. Catwhisperer Avatar

    Ugh, “dialogue” is a verb now?