I’m thoroughly sick of the “other genders” thing. Sure, have as many genders as you want. They’re imaginary, like unicorns. It’s true that suffragettes didn’t fight against other genders; genders hadn’t been invented yet. Suffragettes fought for women, which is, and has always been, a sex. Of course suffragettes weren’t transphobic; transphobia hadn’t been invented yet, nor had trans people, nor all the pokemon-like proliferation of special imaginary genders. People had better things to do with their time, and real struggles to involve themselves with.
Sex. It’s just sex. I don’t give a damn about gender, and neither did anybody else before it was invented. Big gametes, little gametes, and all that entails. The suffragettes fought for the franchise, and other rights, of the sex of people with big gametes (women). You can’t retcon the suffragettes with gender. Keep pervert playtime and the rest of the gender wars out of it.
I suppose this is the natural outcome of transing all the women through history that used men’s names, wore men’s clothes, or even just “acted like men”, just so they could be allowed to do what they had a talent for, and what they wanted to do.
I imagine some of these women thought of themselves as being born in the wrong body, but they didn’t think of themselves as men, they thought of themselves as talented, intelligent women who weren’t allowed to exercise their talent or intellect unless they were viewed as men.
Of course suffragettes weren’t transphobic; transphobia hadn’t been invented yet, nor had trans people, nor all the pokemon-like proliferation of special imaginary genders.
My paternal grandmother was a suffragette, and my father was in Holloway Gaol, London, with her in or around 1906 as a pre-natal child. My memories of her are dim, as she died when I was only 4 years old. But I had learned starting earlier on that there were for some unfathomable reason two kinds of people, called ‘mummies and daddies’ and I am sure that if she had thought there were more kinds than that she would have mentioned it. After all, she not only had books, she was co-author of at least two; which I have in my collection today. She was pretty erudite.
Omar, that almost makes us family! My paternal grandmother was a suffragette. Not in 1906, since she was only two at that time, but later. She got to see the fruits of her labors because she lived until 1985. She was also pretty erudite. She would have been quite shocked – in her words, “well, I’ll swan!” – at the suggestion she was marching to give rights to men in skirts.
On our last visit to London, my wife and I went to catch a bus from Liverpool St Bus Station to visit Holloway Gaol. I went up to the brightly uniformed Information Officer and asked him in the midst of something of a throng which bus I sould catch for said Holloway Gaol. He replied in a strong cockney accent: “I think, Sir, that if you go to that stop over there you will find a number (whatever) bus that will take you to that destination you are seeking.” I thanked him, failing to add what occurred to me in an afterthought: “It’s me old Mum, Guv. She’s banged up in ‘Olloway on account of her bein’ a bit light-fingered in ‘Arrods.”
But when we did get to that ‘destination I was seeking,’ we were shown into the prisoners’ reception area, where they still have the same hard wooden chair on which my grandmother would have been seated while they informed her of her duties, rights and responsibilities as a prisoner in their custody.
The prison staff present were most interested in learning about her case.
At the time of the suffragette movement, were there laws restricting voting in the UK based on anything other than citizenship, age, and sex? In the US the suffrage movement has been criticized for ignoring racist laws that prevented black citizens from voting, regardless of sex, but who else were the UK suffragettes supposedly fighting for?
I have in my time been a supporter of a number of single-issue movements here in Australia. And it is probably true that the US suffrage movement could have gained politically by incorporating the demands of the black rights movement to end the poll tax and other measures to prevent black people from voting. Except that the more issues get added to the list of demands, the more the movement becomes like just another a political party and less like a single-issue movement. The good thing about single-issue movements is that they can unite people from right across the political spectrum around their one demand.
I’m thoroughly sick of the “other genders” thing. Sure, have as many genders as you want. They’re imaginary, like unicorns. It’s true that suffragettes didn’t fight against other genders; genders hadn’t been invented yet. Suffragettes fought for women, which is, and has always been, a sex. Of course suffragettes weren’t transphobic; transphobia hadn’t been invented yet, nor had trans people, nor all the pokemon-like proliferation of special imaginary genders. People had better things to do with their time, and real struggles to involve themselves with.
Sex. It’s just sex. I don’t give a damn about gender, and neither did anybody else before it was invented. Big gametes, little gametes, and all that entails. The suffragettes fought for the franchise, and other rights, of the sex of people with big gametes (women). You can’t retcon the suffragettes with gender. Keep pervert playtime and the rest of the gender wars out of it.
I suppose this is the natural outcome of transing all the women through history that used men’s names, wore men’s clothes, or even just “acted like men”, just so they could be allowed to do what they had a talent for, and what they wanted to do.
I imagine some of these women thought of themselves as being born in the wrong body, but they didn’t think of themselves as men, they thought of themselves as talented, intelligent women who weren’t allowed to exercise their talent or intellect unless they were viewed as men.
Papito:
My paternal grandmother was a suffragette, and my father was in Holloway Gaol, London, with her in or around 1906 as a pre-natal child. My memories of her are dim, as she died when I was only 4 years old. But I had learned starting earlier on that there were for some unfathomable reason two kinds of people, called ‘mummies and daddies’ and I am sure that if she had thought there were more kinds than that she would have mentioned it. After all, she not only had books, she was co-author of at least two; which I have in my collection today. She was pretty erudite.
https://www.tchevalier.com/fallingangels/bckgrnd/suffrage/
Omar, that almost makes us family! My paternal grandmother was a suffragette. Not in 1906, since she was only two at that time, but later. She got to see the fruits of her labors because she lived until 1985. She was also pretty erudite. She would have been quite shocked – in her words, “well, I’ll swan!” – at the suggestion she was marching to give rights to men in skirts.
iknklast,
On our last visit to London, my wife and I went to catch a bus from Liverpool St Bus Station to visit Holloway Gaol. I went up to the brightly uniformed Information Officer and asked him in the midst of something of a throng which bus I sould catch for said Holloway Gaol. He replied in a strong cockney accent: “I think, Sir, that if you go to that stop over there you will find a number (whatever) bus that will take you to that destination you are seeking.” I thanked him, failing to add what occurred to me in an afterthought: “It’s me old Mum, Guv. She’s banged up in ‘Olloway on account of her bein’ a bit light-fingered in ‘Arrods.”
But when we did get to that ‘destination I was seeking,’ we were shown into the prisoners’ reception area, where they still have the same hard wooden chair on which my grandmother would have been seated while they informed her of her duties, rights and responsibilities as a prisoner in their custody.
The prison staff present were most interested in learning about her case.
At the time of the suffragette movement, were there laws restricting voting in the UK based on anything other than citizenship, age, and sex? In the US the suffrage movement has been criticized for ignoring racist laws that prevented black citizens from voting, regardless of sex, but who else were the UK suffragettes supposedly fighting for?
Eava @#6:
I have in my time been a supporter of a number of single-issue movements here in Australia. And it is probably true that the US suffrage movement could have gained politically by incorporating the demands of the black rights movement to end the poll tax and other measures to prevent black people from voting. Except that the more issues get added to the list of demands, the more the movement becomes like just another a political party and less like a single-issue movement. The good thing about single-issue movements is that they can unite people from right across the political spectrum around their one demand.