I tried to see if I could figure out who this lying imbecile was who would publicly make such a patently false claim, and got this:
E Belfast-raised ex-FT theatre critic; Tory hatred drove me to Germany as an Irish Brexit refugee. New under the LGBTQIA+ umbrella. Fat. Smart. Wears tights.
Is he…thinking of the story of Dionysius? Because that’s a Greek myth, it didn’t actually happen. Does anyone know what this guy is talking about? Baffling.
“Yes, Transmen can give birth.” And in doing so, they give the lie to the claim they are men.
And then Ian Shuttleworth takes the cake with an absolute whopper. With zero documented cases of successful zygote or embryo implantation in a male, Ian should take himself and his hospital records to a biology lab for study as he is truly a marvel of self delusion.
I wonder if by ‘ectopically’ in the case of a ‘cis-man’ ‘carrying’ an ‘implanted child’ to term, he means that the child has been ‘implanted’ in a woman’s womb and so may be considered ‘ectopic’ (‘from the place’) with respect to the man’s body? I wonder if this is not a sarcastic response to the preceding tweet.
@Tim Harris: the mention of a c-section rather gives the game away, as at least he’s saying that all babies are delivered by c-section, which is still wrong. Add to that his own self-description and I’m far from inclined to believe such a generous interpretation of his claim.
“ No one can carry a pregnancy to term ectopically as far as I am aware and definitely not “cis” men…”
I certainly expect you’re right re males (as the Schwarzenegger movie was a comedy, not a documentary), but I do recall the newspaper reporting the birth by c-section, of a baby at term in the Northern Territory Australia, circa 15 years ago, who was determined afterward to have been implanted in the mother’s ovary, not uterus. I recall some astonishment at the time that apparently the medical imaging had failed to detect the situation prior to the surgery.
“Ectopic” technically just means “out of place” – in the case of a pregnancy that means it’s not in the uterus. The most common misplaced location is in the Fallopian tube, since that’s where eggs tend to be. (If untreated, tubal pregnancies are usually fatal to the mother.) But there is also the remote possibility of the egg being fertilized while floating free in the abdomen, and implanting in some random location. Bodies are indeed weird, and the development of the parasitic organism (aka embryo) apparently does not actually require the uterus – it can make its own placenta attached anywhere as long as it can find sufficient connection to do blood exchange. Unsurprisingly, the rates of complications for this are very high for both mother and baby. The delivery has to be surgical, and the attachment site of the placenta is extremely susceptible to hemorrhage (the post-delivery contraction of the uterus (usually) does the job of preventing this in normal pregnancies.
All of which is to say that yes, it does seem that it would be technically possible to develop a way to get a fertilized egg to implant in the abdomen of a transwoman, albeit at significant risk for both the pregnancy and the host.
No one can carry a pregnancy to term ectopically as far as I am aware and definitely not “cis” men…
I tried to see if I could figure out who this lying imbecile was who would publicly make such a patently false claim, and got this:
SMART.
Bwahahahahahahaaaaa XD
Is he…thinking of the story of Dionysius? Because that’s a Greek myth, it didn’t actually happen. Does anyone know what this guy is talking about? Baffling.
“Yes, Transmen can give birth.” And in doing so, they give the lie to the claim they are men.
And then Ian Shuttleworth takes the cake with an absolute whopper. With zero documented cases of successful zygote or embryo implantation in a male, Ian should take himself and his hospital records to a biology lab for study as he is truly a marvel of self delusion.
I wonder if by ‘ectopically’ in the case of a ‘cis-man’ ‘carrying’ an ‘implanted child’ to term, he means that the child has been ‘implanted’ in a woman’s womb and so may be considered ‘ectopic’ (‘from the place’) with respect to the man’s body? I wonder if this is not a sarcastic response to the preceding tweet.
@Tim Harris: the mention of a c-section rather gives the game away, as at least he’s saying that all babies are delivered by c-section, which is still wrong. Add to that his own self-description and I’m far from inclined to believe such a generous interpretation of his claim.
“ No one can carry a pregnancy to term ectopically as far as I am aware and definitely not “cis” men…”
I certainly expect you’re right re males (as the Schwarzenegger movie was a comedy, not a documentary), but I do recall the newspaper reporting the birth by c-section, of a baby at term in the Northern Territory Australia, circa 15 years ago, who was determined afterward to have been implanted in the mother’s ovary, not uterus. I recall some astonishment at the time that apparently the medical imaging had failed to detect the situation prior to the surgery.
Well he can take that argument up with Macbeth’s witches….
@Likes Greek Myths,
Athena also comes to mind (as she did to Zeus). But do male gods count as “cis” men?
I think Mr. Shuttleworth should put his peritoneal cavity where his mouth is.
“Ectopic” technically just means “out of place” – in the case of a pregnancy that means it’s not in the uterus. The most common misplaced location is in the Fallopian tube, since that’s where eggs tend to be. (If untreated, tubal pregnancies are usually fatal to the mother.) But there is also the remote possibility of the egg being fertilized while floating free in the abdomen, and implanting in some random location. Bodies are indeed weird, and the development of the parasitic organism (aka embryo) apparently does not actually require the uterus – it can make its own placenta attached anywhere as long as it can find sufficient connection to do blood exchange. Unsurprisingly, the rates of complications for this are very high for both mother and baby. The delivery has to be surgical, and the attachment site of the placenta is extremely susceptible to hemorrhage (the post-delivery contraction of the uterus (usually) does the job of preventing this in normal pregnancies.
All of which is to say that yes, it does seem that it would be technically possible to develop a way to get a fertilized egg to implant in the abdomen of a transwoman, albeit at significant risk for both the pregnancy and the host.
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