So much more vulnerable
The CBC on the suppression of Robert Wintemute’s talk at McGill:
Trans rights advocates stormed into a talk Tuesday afternoon at McGill University led by a speaker associated with a group they say is “notoriously transphobic and trans-exclusionary.”
Not a great lede. “Trans rights” always need to be specified, because most readers will think just “human rights for trans people” when in fact what’s meant is a set of novel “rights” that are incompatible with other people’s rights. The people storming the talk weren’t so much “advocates” as an angry shouty mob who physically prevented people from going in. The way they libel the speaker shouldn’t be just slapped down there in the first sentence as if it were true or at least reasonable.
“The T (trans) is so much more vulnerable than the rest of LGB. I think there’s tons of scientific evidence speaking to that,” said Celeste Trianon, a trans activist who led the protest against the event.
Who led the mob that prevented the event from continuing. Also this “trans activist” is a guy, shutting down a talk that is of particular relevance to women’s rights. This conflict has everything to do with women and our rights and the way purported “trans rights” are eroding ours. News outlets should make that very clear instead of muffling it in vagueness.
[Wintemute] says he has a 37 years experience defending LGB human rights and he would never associate with any group that “promotes hate.” He said he came to McGill to promote the message that women have human rights too, but they feel intimidated by the trans rights movement.
“So I have to thank the protesters for giving me first-hand experience of that intimidation,” said Wintemute after the event. “Probably the majority of women in this country disagree with some of transgender demands but they refuse to say so because they will be seen as intolerant.”
And shouted at and bullied and pushed out of things.
Any discussion or criticism is seen as “hate speech,” he said. The protesters held signs saying “no debate,” he noted, “and many women around the world disagree.” The idea that his seminar would lead to genocide of trans people is “absolutely absurd,” he said.
That kind of dishonest hyperbole is pervasive in trans ideology and “activism.” It is in fact one of the (several) signs that it’s not a healthy or progressive or liberal-minded movement. The lies, the screaming, the self-pity, the bullying – they don’t add up to another rung on the ladder to human betterment, do they.
Wintemute’s work inspired the foundation of the LGB Alliance, a British group that advocates against transgender rights in the United Kingdom.
No it does not – that’s an appalling claim for the CBC to make. It resists the creation of new, warped imitations of rights that are just for trans people, like the “right” to be treated as what one is not. It does not advocate for trans people to lose the human rights we all have.
The group has opposed progressive gender affirmation bills in the U.K., like the Scottish Gender Recognition Act, which improves the system by which transgender people can apply for legal recognition.
But who says they are progressive? What if they’re not? What if they’re the opposite of progressive?
The LGB Alliance denies being transphobic or hateful.
The CBC sneers.
An open letter signed by McGill students, professors, alumni and others from the Montreal LGBTQ+ community says trans rights are not at odds with the rights of others.
They can say whatever they like, but they’re wrong. Some purported trans rights very much are at odds with the rights of women…and, ironically, lesbians and gays, despite all the brandishing of LGBTQMNOP.
“Undermining the human rights of trans people does not benefit any member of the 2SLGBTQIA+ community, nor the feminist movement,” it says.
Yeah? What about the ZRPMWIF-x/ community?
Though Canada and Quebec have remained “mostly sheltered” from transphobic rhetoric, those ideas have gained momentum in the U.S. and the U.K. and could easily spread here, said Trianon.
She pointed to the multiple instances of drag queen story hours being attacked by anti-LGBT activists over the summer in Montreal.
“This plays into the transfeminine predator stereotype. It’s very much a debunkable thing,” said Trianon.
Except that there are predators who pretend to be trans women, stereotype or no stereotype.
‘Transwomen’ are physically male, but female in mind; some of the time at least, and to a greater or lesser extent. When it suits them to do so, they use that male physicality to win prizes in what have previously been females-only sports and other sex-divided and traditionally sex-segregated activities. They use that same male physicality to self-assert, and to wreck what they want to wreck.
(Where a niche occurs in an ecosystem, one way or another and in time, an organism will srise to fill it. They have found a niche for physically one, some of the time mentally the other.)
These urgers can never really break free of their birth sex, and the only people who can’t see that are those who don’t incline to do so.
None of us can escape from being who we really are.
Go on then.
Debunk it.
Oh, right, you can’t. Because of the hundreds and hundreds of cases where predatory men-claiming-to-be-women have been caught doing exactly the things women said they would.
tigger, just what I was thinking. If it’s so easily debunkable, present evidence. Don’t expect us to take it on your say so.
Even if they make the argument that the predators aren’t really trans, and are therefore men, that argues our side, as well. The possibility that men will pretend to be men-pretending-to-be-women for the sake of accessing women only spaces to invade places where women are vulnerable, it is very real. Men can, will, and have done that very thing.
Instead of women trying to say trans don’t have the same rights as other people, trans are trying to say women don’t have the same rights. We don’t have the right to set boundaries. We don’t have the right to say no, at least not if that no is to someone claiming to be a trans lesbian. We don’t have the right to choose with whom we associate. We don’t have the right to talk about our own issues.
Same old misogynistic bullshit, wrapped up in a thin veneer of progressive Saran Wrap.
I’d love to see the “tons of scientific evidence” showing that “the T (trans) is so much more vulnerable than the rest of LGB.” I’m sure there are plenty of well-designed peer-reviewed studies to back up that claim, including some exhaustive meta analyses.
Waiting….
WaM – I do not suggested abating your breath. We enjoy your comments.
Mike,
Aw, hmm, um….
I guess I’ll breathe out now.
The first time I read that in the original post in which it appeared, I’d thought the person being quoted was saying “the T (trans) is so much more valuable than the rest of LGB.” I read it that way several times before realizing my mistake. It kinda sounded like something a transactivist would say. It’s an honest mistake; after all, it’s how many of them behave.
‘female in mind’ What does that mean?
guest @#8:
Female in mind means in my view that they believe themselves to be females trapped in male bodies. I suppose it is a bit like the religion in the mind of a believer. We all, I think, believe what we want to believe. And believing has ever been the means to belonging. They get an identity, as in membership of a cult.
Well that wouldn’t make them ‘female in mind’, though, would it? They can believe whatever they want, but it has nothing to do with actual female people or ‘femaleness’ in any sense (though I suppose you could argue that it is in some sense tied to the concept of ‘femininity’).
I have in my time encountered people whose capacity for self-delusion is quite profound; while living outwardly normal lives in most other respects.
Wait, I just saw this:
I’ve noticed lately that you continually ignore the %s. So answer me this, Benson, are %s &s? Yes or no?
And any answer besides “Yes, of course, I grovel before the % community!” will expose you as a %ER&!
%s are %s!!!!!!! I’ve always said so!!!!!