Hmm.
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Tiffany @catgirlsister asks
WHY are cis lesbians so transphobic
and adds
pls tell me I won’t be alone forever
Maybe it’s mean to make fun of what Tiffany says…but then again women who are accused of being “transphobic” or “cis” or lesbians or all three are subject to quite a lot of meanness themselves, often set off by people like Tiffany saying things like the things Tiffany said in those tweets.
So I’ll point at what Tiffany says, and ask why Tiffany feels entitled to demand that lesbians do something to prevent him from being alone forever. Why is that lesbians’ job? Why is it lesbians’ fault that Tiffany is alone? Why isn’t Tiffany hooking up with other trans lesbians? Surely it can’t be because Tiffany is transphobic…can it?
“Tiffany” tried [to] walk into a lesbian support group but chickened out. Tiffany wants to cry. Tiffany is the real victim here, not the lesbians who just want some fucking space.
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Tiffany apparently thinks lesbians ought to welcome him as a lesbian without even looking at him as he walks in the door.
Honestly I think Tiffany would feel more at home around Trumpys than around lesbians.
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For that matter, why doesn’t Tiffany try finding a heterosexual woman? I’m sure there are some who would be willing to try “lesbianism” with a dick-having person.
Tiffany’s profile photo shows what is either a carefully sculpted thin goatee, or else some suspiciously patterned five o’clock shadow.
For purposes of argument, let’s say that I go along with the TRA argument that Tiffany is a woman simply because Tiffany identifies as a woman. I’ll further stipulate that Tiffany is under no obligation to anyone to make any effort to “pass.”
But even given all that, how on earth can Tiffany be puzzled that not many women who are attracted to women are going to be attracted to Tiffany?
It seems like just another example of someone thinking that their internal identity should trump other considerations, i.e. that identity should trump physical abilities when it comes to sports.
Tiffany’s profile links to an article that argues transwomen are biologically female. Tiffany is clearly delusional. And confused, and entitled, and distressed. Tiffany is in a cult. He needs psychiatric exit counselling.
According to the Merriam-Webster dictionary, the word “phobia” is defined as “an exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear.” I’m getting more and more annoyed by people trying to make a point by co-opting a term associated with mental illness or out-of-control extremism and applying it to people who disagree with them.
I can certainly imagine or come up with unambiguous examples of transphobia, homophobia, Islamophobia, etc. Lesbians not being sexually attracted to men who “ identify as women” just isn’t one of them. Even if a trans woman really, truly is just another kind of woman, being mistaken isn’t phobic. In my nonexpert opinion, it would only be “phobic” if it was so incredibly obvious that “trans women are women” that the vast majority of people have to struggle to conceive of an alternative.
Dear Tiffany,
You might be alone forever.
Indeed, everyone is essentially alone.
HTH
“I asked you not to tell me that!”
— Maxwell Smart
@Sastra, #4:
Ophelia has made some good points about the framing-as-phobia thing here at B&W before, but with respect to “Islamophobia,” if I recall correctly.
And Jane Clare Jones recently wrote a good essay about the problem:
(forgive the very long quote)
I have a suspicion that the ‘Tiffanys’ of the world have been raised on a diet of pornography and innuendo, and have developed the belief that any one lesbian will happily have sex with any other lesbian. Along with many other men, ‘Tiffanys’ have a fantasy of having sex with lesbians (but usually only the young, pretty ones like in the videos, obvs) but do at least have the basic understanding that lesbians just aren’t that into men, a fact that possibly drives the fantasy and would make the ‘conquest’ all the more satisfying. For most men, that simple fact is enough to tell them that their fantasies will always be just that, but ‘Tiffanys’ think they have an ace up their sleeves, namely the ‘transwomen are women’ bullshit.
By declaring themselves to be not only women but lesbians, they think that life will soon be one long lesbian orgy, and are thoroughly shocked when they are repeatedly knocked back. Being men, they refuse to believe that porn would lie to them; all lesbians are promiscuous with all other lesbians and that’s just a fact that everybody knows. So why the frustration of not fulfilling their fantasies? It obviously can’t be because they’re men because they’ve already said that they’re women, and lesbians at that. It can’t be because they look male or are otherwise unattractive as it matters not what lesbians look like – all lesbians fuck all otherwise lesbians, remember.
So there’s only one explanation; the lesbians have to be transphobic.
Hardeharhar. When I did a Google search for “@catgirlsister”, this post is the first result of four. Of course, the best hoaxes seem the realest!
Google probably knows your patterns. Still, it could be a hoax account of course, but it’s been there for awhile. Now it’s protected.
Thanks, Ms. Benson, you may be right about my searches. I have tried different approaches, but can’t find the original account. The thing is, though, it reads so well.
I can’t even begin to understand the mindset at work here, although the grammer may be a clue.
https://twitter.com/jonnnybest/status/1175855225367859201
clamboy – here’s the url –
https://twitter.com/catgirlsister
It’s protected now, but you can see that it’s there.
That profile picture is a photo of me from several months ago. As I have never gone by the name Tiffany nor claimed to be a lesbian, this account is most definitely fraudulent and probably malicious. After I contacted them asking why they were using my image in this way it was taken down almost immediately. Please delete this post as I am not comfortable having my face associated with this kind of discourse any longer.
I removed the images; will that do? I’d prefer to leave the conversation, since it documents one form of trolling.
Given the discussion is based on an invalid source whose actions on twitter have resulted in a lot of insults towards my appearance I would prefer the entire post be removed.
Also even if it had been a genuine account as you at first believed, making a public post to such a comparatively large audience mocking someone’s insecurity and inviting abuse towards them (even if you do feel they may be misguided) is definitely mean-spirited and counterproductive. But do as you see fit.
Well…in all fairness I don’t know who you are either, and I can’t be sure what you’re telling us is true either. You could be the troll behind the Twitter account for all I know. I want to be fair, but I don’t see how what’s left of the post can harm you.
Our replies crossed (i.e. I hadn’t seen 16 when I posted 17).
The post isn’t inviting abuse toward “Tiffany.” Skeptical replies possibly, but abuse, no. Twitter is after all public, and “Tiffany” must have wanted people to see the tweets or why post them in the first place?
But mocking? Yes, it is mocking, and that is somewhat mean, but then Tiffany is overtly soliciting verbal abuse of women by saying “cis lesbians” are transphobic.
You’re right, you don’t know that. I can’t offer you any proof, as I don’t know who IS responsible since they deleted the account within minutes of me contacting them and what little I did glean was of no use. If it’s important enough to you that it stay as it is by all means delete my comments and continue on as you are, I’m just glad to have my face off this mess, even if I can’t clean it up completely
I think one factor missing from this discussion of moral disgust and homophobia is self-hatred as a cause of homophobia. I’m sure that not all homophobic people are doing it to project their own gayness on someone else and eradicate it through externalized violence, but nobody can have missed the remarkable percentage of politicians and preachers who grandstand about the moral disgustingness of homosexuality and get arrested or otherwise exposed later for soliciting gay sex.
The existence of this phenomenon became a good rhetorical tool for people fighting for public acceptance of gays: You say you hate the gays? Well, you’re probably really gay yourself, shut up you closet queer homophobe!
I don’t think that phenomenon (either as first or second-order function) transfers well to the case of trans-activism.
Or maybe it does? Perhaps the next thing for the window-bashing goons to propose is that TERFs hate trans people because they are secretly trans people inside. So then they, who are men who are really women, are being oppressed by women who are really men. Circle complete.
I feel terrible in an almost mystical way for suggesting that. Countdown until someone says it seriously.