The whole comoonninny

There’s a statement.

From Kezia Dugdale, incoming Chair of Stonewall:

“In my first interview as incoming Chair of Stonewall, I was asked a question about JK Rowling. In answering, I should have been absolutely unequivocal that I would never condone behaviour from anyone that seeks to or causes harm to anyone in our community. That is a red line for me and should be for all of us. I understand the interview has caused worry, anger and upset and I am truly sorry about that.

In a world that is increasingly polarised and in which trans people have been under continuous attack for the last decade or more, I was excited to be appointed Chair of Stonewall. I applied for the role because Stonewall works for the whole LGBTQ+ community. I would not have applied or have wanted to lead a charity that was not inclusive of the whole community because my feminism is and has always been trans inclusive.”

Wait wait wait. Slow down. If you’re going to put out a statement, make it a clear statement. What is this “community” you’re talking about? What is “the whole LGBTQ+community”? What makes it a community? What are the criteria? What are the borders? How do people know? How do members know, how do outsiders know? How is it decided?

All of that needs to be clear before you talk about “a charity that was not inclusive of the whole community” in a way that’s obviously disapproving and hostile.

In other words, the issue here is of course that a lot of people who are normally part of the community in question do not agree that trans people are part of that community. A lot of lesbians and gay men do not agree that trans people belong in groups for lesbians and gay men, not to be mean but because lesbians and gay men need groups for lesbians and gay men. Do you see what I’m getting at? The short version is of course “forced teaming”.

You’re putting a very heavy thumb on the scale by simply assuming that “the community” always and everywhere covers trans people as well as lesbians and gay men, when that assumption is not correct. And it’s no good trying to paper it over by saying “the whole community” as if that were universally agreed. You’re not going to change the minds of people who consider trans ideology a different thing from same-sex attraction by waving “the whole community” in their faces.

Inclusion is a buzzword, but we don’t always want or need inclusion. Labor unions don’t need to be inclusive of bosses, and women don’t need to be inclusive of men. It’s pretty simple once you pay attention.

Trans inclusion is at the heart of Stonewall’s strategy, published last year. That will not change. My term as Chair starts in September. Over the coming months, along with the current Chair Ayla Holdom, the CEO Simon Blake and the rest of the team I look forward to having conversations with as many of you as I can. Together, we want to seek new ways to make progress and push for equality, building on progressive dialogue and starting – always – from a place of inclusion. 

But inclusion of what? Straight people? Homophobes? Members of Trump’s cabinet?

You can’t do both. You can’t organize and persuade and campaign as a particular group and include everyone in that group; you have to pick one.

Comments

13 responses to “The whole comoonninny”

  1. John the Drunkard Avatar
    John the Drunkard

    The ‘T’ alone doesn’t look like any kind of community. Are 12 year old anorexics swept up in social contagion in any kind of ‘community’ with middle aged drag queens and autogynephiles?

  2. S Wes Avatar

    Some background might be of interest as i was not familiar with this myself until seeing Ophelia’s post.

    1. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/24/kezia-dugdale-chair-stonewall-apologises-backlash-jk-rowling-remarks

    2. Kathleen Stock’s excellent essay BEFORE the statement: https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/can-stonewall-mark-ii-put-trans-wars-behind-it-bhwl90xlm

    Ophelia thanks for your incisive critique and clarity as always!

  3. Mike B Avatar

    I’m kinda done with this “communinnee” stuff. 66, married, gay, living out in the country, and untutored in the T, Q, A, I etc etc Scrabble tiles.

  4. Athel Cornish-Bowden Avatar
    Athel Cornish-Bowden

    Not being a member of any of these communinnees (unless straight white elderly men constitute a communinnee) I should perhaps keep silent, but it seems to me that gays and lesbians constitute two communities with quite a lot of communication with one another, and the rest are just fantasies.

  5. Bjarte Foshaug Avatar
    Bjarte Foshaug

    I’m beginning to hate the word “community” almost as much as I hate the word “identity”. The one thing that virtually all the things I hate most in this world have in common is that they have all been explained by people’s desire for an identity and/or a community.

  6. Ophelia Benson Avatar

    That plus they are so overused, so forced on us so often, so relentlessly waved like flags or crawled to like gods. Yuck.

  7. twiliter Avatar

    I’m in an actual community. I have neighbors, places I visit nearby where I hang out with other people who live nearby, and sometimes I participate in community events. I’m not sure sharing some kind of physical or sociocultural traits puts me in any community, if I don’t even know the people who I share these traits with. I think I understand what people mean by an online community, and maybe this is one here at B&W, but I hesitate to define it as a community. It makes me wonder what some people mean by this term.

  8. Colin Day Avatar

    Could the forced teaming be coming from the right?

  9. Your Name's not Bruce? Avatar
    Your Name’s not Bruce?

    It makes me wonder what some people mean by this term.

    For some people it means the potential pool of allies/cannon fodder that can be called upon by the T when it suits their needs.

    Could the forced teaming be coming from the right?

    Certainly the right won’t be too choosey when it uses the excesses of the T as a pretext to roll back the hard-won rights of gays and lesbians. To the extent that the LGB “host” has accepted the forced-teaming diktats of the TQI parasite, the LGB (and the T-captured left in general) have invited both the inevitable splash damage from the right, and the divisions and infighting within progressive circles, that have come with the entirely reasonable, principled, and morally justified pushback against the outrages of trans over-reach.

    It will be years (if ever) before those institutions which immolated their credibility by supporting, promoting, and enforcing trans “rights” will be able to regain public trust, particularly of those who were attacked and punished for questioning gender-Lysenkoism.

  10. Lady Mondegreen Avatar
    Lady Mondegreen

    @Colin

    Could the forced teaming be coming from the right?

    No. The forced-teaming began way back in the ’90s, and the history is pretty well known. And it wasn’t the Right that created Queer Theory and Gender Studies.

  11. Bjarte Foshaug Avatar
    Bjarte Foshaug

    I do think there is a bit of an unholy alliance going on here, though. TRAs have a stake in conflating LGB and TQ+ for the purpose of appropriating the hard work and success of the LGB movement for themselves, even while being actively hostile to its goals. As Arty Morty has pointed out many times, the MAGA Right has a stake in the same conflation for the purpose of blaming the excesses of gender ideology on the gay rights movement.

    TRAs and the MAGA crowd also have a shared interest in conflating feminism and the trans agenda for the exact same reasons: the former in order to appropriate the hard work and success of the women’s rights movement for themselves (in the name of “gender equality”*), once again while being actively hostile to its goals, the latter to blame the excesses of genderism on women’s rights.

    * Reinterpreted from the equality of male and female to the equality of “trans” and “cis”.

  12. The Whimster Gap Avatar
    The Whimster Gap

    It’s kind of funny, the way she bemoans polarisation in pretty much the same breath as she excoriates herself for the temerity of not instinctively loathing JKR in every way.

    No polarisation there. None at all.

  13. Ophelia Benson Avatar

    Well at least she knows it when she sees it.

    Oh wait, no she doesn’t.

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