The Times interviews Sandi Toksvig:
Toksvig certainly boasts the widest-ranging CV imaginable. Her most recent achievement was officiating at the Abba star BjĂśrn Ulvaeusâs third wedding last month in Copenhagen. She and Ulvaeus, it transpires, have been friends since 2015, when she organised a Scandinavian-themed Women of the World festival at the Royal Festival Hall, where an all-female orchestra played Waterloo and Ulvaeus appeared. âYou can be feminist and fun, you see.â More recently they collaborated on writing the interactive show Mamma Mia! The Party.
âBjĂśrn is a very gentle, not divaish person; he and I are both humanists,â she says…
I knew that about BjĂśrn. That time I went to Stockholm when Hatar Gud Kvinnor? was published, his daughter picked me up at the airport. I pretended not to know.
But that’s not why we’re here. This is why we’re here:
âIâm easygoing, but Iâm also keeping an eye on things. The world is still full of people who take against your life. Homophobiaâs increasing. The only good thing about lesbians is they titillate men so itâs marginally less aggressive towards us. I donât know what they think Deb and I are doing. Mainly weâre discussing if the tomatoes have gone off.â
The hostility, Toksvig continues with quiet fury, is fuelled by âintemperate language on social media around the trans discussion. Thatâs opened the door to people thinking itâs now fair to have a general go at diversity, that the world is too woke. I donât know how you can be too woke â woke means being awake to the dangers that are around you. Mental health within the LGBTQ community is not good and thatâs not because youâre not comfortable with who you are. Itâs the way society treats you.â
She is especially angry
by[about] how many âradical feministsâ attack trans people. âHow could you be so white and privileged and heterosexual and never marginalised in your life yet you decide to punch down on people?â
Excuse me? Excuse me???
Who tf says we’re all privileged? Who says we’re all heterosexual? Who says we’re all never marginalized?
What utter bullshit. Women are not privileged in the sense of seen as and treated as better than the other sex. That’s rather the point of feminism. We have to fight to be seen as and treated as not the worst, the stupid, the weak, the sly, the whoreish, the disgusting sex. We have to fight to be seen as not inferiors. That doesn’t suddenly stop being true just because some men pretend to be women and berate us when we say they’re not.

