Won’t somebody please think of the rapist?
Someone has commented on Know her name, the post about Chanel Miller and the guy who raped her. It’s a first-time comment and I’m not going to let it appear on the post like a normal comment. I’m going to quote it in a post instead, like an abnormal comment.
Only 3 months? Brock Turner’s life was completly ruined. He lost his scholarship to Stamford was banished from the campus for life, lost his membership in the amateur swim association so he can never swim in competion again, lost his once in a lifetime bid to try out for the olympic swim team, is now a convicted felon and sex offender so he can never enroll in any school in this country and must register as a sex offender for the rest of his life so that 50 years from now when he’s 70 something he still has to deal with the mistake he made thinking that this drunk party girl wearing a “skintight” dress (see police report) wanted to hookup. Nobody else involved in this nightmare takes ANY responsibility. Now Chanel Miller has a huge grin on her face and the adoration of millions of maladjusted so called “victims” and some may very well be victims but not Chanel Miller she will now make millions on a worthless dishonest book. Yes she looks so traumatized probably the most traumatized millionaire in history.
Please, tell us more about the cis privilege women have.
Yeah, ‘cos nothing says cis privilege like having a drunk frat boy shove dry pine needles up your vagina without consent. Sure, he didn’t mean to do that, but he was just so intent on fingering a comatose drunk girl while lying in spilled dumpster trash and pine needles that he didn’t care.
I’d put money on frat boy having behaved in a similar way before and I’d put even more money on him behaving the same way or worse in the future if he hadn’t been caught at it. No sympathy.
I do have some sympathy for people with criminal convictions, seeking gainful employment. There has to be a post-conviction path to housing and employment, education or training, and restoration of civil rights.
As to BT, maybe he and the sentencing judge can go job-hunting together.
Yeah, just a “mistake” that Brock Turner made. Why, anyone could have thought that Miller was totally into being fucked and not just lying there unconscious. Well, anyone besides the two bystanders who recognized something was wrong and intervened.
But hey, poor little Brock honestly thought that! That’s why, when the two students intervened, he turned to them and said, “why hello, dear chaps, you are clearly well-intentioned but mistaken, as this young lady has eagerly consented to this escapade beside the dumpster.” Hang on… being told that instead, he ran like the guilty rapist he is.
Funny how none of that screed mentions the only thing that is relevant: consent.
Stanford. Not Stamford.
I swam on the the men’s team decades before and What Turner did is a disgrace. His sentence was far too lenient. Turner has serious problems and needs help. No matter how drunk I’ve been would I ever do anything like that to another person.
Nevertheless, society should have means to remove titles like ‘sex offender’ if they show reform, after a decade or two.
Literally billions of people will never get to go to Stanford (or “Stamford”, wherever and whatever that is), and nor will we ever be Olympic swimmers, for that matter. Realistically, those are the harshest consequences Turner is likely to face, and lamenting them on someone else’s behalf seems to me an obvious case of misplaced empathy. There are many more worthy causes to devote one’s outrage than a mediocre man’s choices affecting the future that the circumstances of his birth had all but guaranteed him.
Stamford is very real – it’s a lovely stone-built town in Lincolnshire, with the fabulous Elizabethan palace of Burghley House just outside it. There’s also one in Connecticut which I assume is named after the one in Lincs. It’s just that neither has anything to do with railroad magnate Leland Stanford and his school in Palo Alto.
(And, as I recall, it did have a rather unfortunate bridge upon which a dodgy Norwegian met his end one autumn)
It’s a lovely town, too. I had no idea there was an English one, but lots of New England towns are named after English towns, so no surprise there. The one in CT is a well-known commuter suburb of NYC; I’ve seen lots of people confuse Stanford with Stamford.
I used to work in Braintree MA, and wondered about the curious name. Someone asked the newspaper, and they replied it was named after an English town, which didn’t really explain the name at all.
All that, and walking distance to Burghley. There’s a river, too.
Sackbut, a lot of Nebraska towns are named after English towns, too, which I find interesting since we seemed to be settled primarily by Germans, Poles, and Czechs.
Did Turner have accomplices? (I mean apart from the judge after the fact.) Who else in this nightmare (notice the nightmare consists solely of things “done to” Turner, not what he “did to” Chanel Miller) has anything to be “responsible” for? All those things listed that happened to Turner? Those are called “consequences.” They are the direct result of Turner’s actions. None would have been imposed upon him had he refrained from doing what he in fact did.
And all those things he “lost?” He threw those away. See “consequences” above.
YNNB, I probably don’t need to explain this to you, because I imagine those questions were more rhetorical than information requesting. But the one who is supposed to take responsibility is Chanel Miller. For being a woman who happened to be lying around tempting young men. Who had the gall to not want a man to sexually impose his will on her. Who dared to go to the police.
For guys like the poster, there is at least equal shared responsibility, though I suspect down in his heart of hearts he believes Brock Turner has no responsibility for this incident at all. it is all her fault. For being. For being female. For being female in a public place.
But she was wearing a ‘skintight’ dress!
Sorry, Mr. Apologist, but even if she had been naked it still doesn’t mean that she was fair game for rape by any passing frat boy with a hard-on.
AoS, I’m waiting for the day that some woman grabs a man’s genitals and argues that he had flirted with her, so he owed her. Oh, and, well, those skintight jeans and muscle shirt, your honor. Surely you don’t want to ruin this woman’s bright future for one mistake?
Yeah, that’ll work.
The good news is that judges have learned from the Turner case, and aren’t minimizing the harm of rape….
Uh, never mind.
Sigh. Look, I’m in favor of bail reform, and there’s a decent argument that a college student with no prior record can be released pretrial on his own recognizance. But when a judge makes a comment like this:
I mean, sure. What’s a little sexual assault and attempted rape compared to being an A student?