Misdirection

But however good Schiff is at making the case, this is what we’re dealing with:

Malicious contemptuous lying, is what we’re dealing with. Schiff didn’t say “we can’t trust American voters to decide who should be their next president.” He said “we cannot be assured that the vote will be fairly won,” meaning, we can’t be assured of that because Trump and his gangsters and Putin will cheat. It’s not about the voters being stupid, it’s about Trump being a criminal. Schiff didn’t express any “disdain for opinion of the American people,” he expressed conviction that Trump will do again what he did before, which is to solicit help from Russia and various crooks to steal the election.

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9 responses to “Misdirection”

  1. Your Name's not Bruce? Avatar
    Your Name’s not Bruce?

    Malicious contemptuous lying, is what we’re dealing with. Schiff didn’t say “we can’t trust American voters to decide who should be their next president.” He said “we cannot be assured that the vote will be fairly won,” meaning, we can’t be assured of that because Trump and his gangsters and Putin will cheat. It’s not about the voters being stupid, it’s about Trump being a criminal. Schiff didn’t express any “disdain for opinion of the American people,” he expressed conviction that Trump will do again what he did before, which is to solicit help from Russia and various crooks to steal the election.

    Too bad he didn’t put it as bluntly and baldly as you put it. Screw decorum and politeness; Trump doesn’t deserve it, and plain speaking gets the point across more clearly. Call a shovel a shovel and a lying crook a lying crook.

  2. Ophelia Benson Avatar

    Aw, no, I don’t think that’s right. I think he put it perfectly.

  3. Holms Avatar

    I could not disagree more strongly with Schiff and his managers that we can’t trust American voters to decide who should be their president.

    Ah, no, he said Trump can’t be trusted. Trump. He was elected, the process was duly followed, and Trump betrayed the trust placed in him.

  4. Skeletor Avatar

    Saying the words “The president’s misconduct cannot be decided at the ballot box” was very ill-advised to say the least.

  5. Ophelia Benson Avatar

    Oh good, go tell Schiff that, you obviously know far more about it than he does.

  6. Ophelia Benson Avatar

    Googles the phrase

    The right-wing press is making much of it. Just the right-wing press.

  7. Roj Blake Avatar

    So does William Barr.

    Between elections, “the people’s representatives stand watch and have the tools to oversee, discipline, and, if they deem appropriate, remove the president from office. Under the framers’ plan, the determination whether the president is making decisions based on ‘improper’ motives or whether he is ‘faithfully’ discharging his responsibilities is left to the people, through the election process, and the Congress, through the impeachment process.” William Barr, 2018.

    As does Laurence H. Tribe, the Carl M. Loeb University Professor and Professor of Constitutional Law at Harvard.

    The logic of impeachment as applied to the presidency is that the president has unique authority conferred by Article II. If he abuses that authority for personal advantage, financial or political, he injures the country as a whole. That is precisely why the framers rejected the idea of relying solely on an election to remove an abusive president from office. Indeed, waiting for the next election is an option that is obviously insufficient when the abuse of power is directed at cheating in that very election.

  8. iknklast Avatar

    Besides, the majority of the voters actually didn’t want Trump, anyway. That fact keeps getting ignored. It was the electoral college not the voters that elected Trump. (Oh, and Skeletor, I don’t need lectures about swing states and all that…I have a degree in political science, I read at greater than a college level, and I know all that. The fact is, Clinton won the voters. Trump won only because of the desire of our founders to make sure the president was elected by the “right” people.)

  9. tigger_the_wing Avatar
    tigger_the_wing

    As iknklast says, what the voters want is irrelevant as long as you have the electoral college.

    The Russians and/or the Chinese don’t have to do anything as complicated as interfere with the ballot – they just have to have some embarrassing information on enough of the membership of the electoral college that they get the result they want.