Meanwhile the Best Actor category
Of course.
I would have linked straight to the source but you have to click through eleventy times to get to that set of nominations…but by having done so I did get to learn (to my complete lack of surprise) that 1. the male nominations appear first and 2. the male nominations are all men.
Yes, Yasmin Finney is a trans woman.
He must be a good actor indeed if he has been able to convince the board that he’s a woman!
So, do we prepare for aggressive mobs outside the venue, accusing them of ‘transphobia’ and howling about ‘trans misandry’, because there’s no ‘transman’ in the male lineup?
No?
So, it seems that even the most vocal TRAs know the difference between men and womenâŚ
If Ellen Page is and always has been a man, does that mean s/he was mortally misgendered by being nominated and winning in the Best Actress category? Shouldn’t s/he return the award as inappropriate, and even transphobic?
Funny how the pictures of the three women are all in bright clear light but his picture is from a very dark, unevenly lit scene.
Oh, speaking of unevenly lit (and veering off topic) good old PZ Myer never fails to amuse. His crowd is mourning the suicide of the Alabama mayor who put his trans life online and then got found out. PZ’s bunch are just about making the mayor out to be a saint. None of their comments mention that Copeland had described becoming obsessed with a local business owner, who he ultimately murders to assume her identity. The woman murdered in the story is a real individual who lives in Copelandâs community.
The Reduxx story on this guy also mentions his interest in minors — “Some of the photos and shared images featured on Copelandâs Tumblr blog had a theme of younger boys being transitioned into girls. While the images, which sometimes included photos of actual minors, had were non-sexual in appearance, they were passed through âeroticaâ accounts.” Oddly, none of PZ’s crowd mentions this in their comments about how this brave trans hero was so hard done by that he had to commit suicide.
Remember when Linda Hunt was nominated for â and won â an Oscar for her role in The Year of Living Dangerously? The character she portrayed was a man. And yet: she won the Oscar â rightly â in the Best Supporting Actress category.
(Her character was also Chinese, and a dwarf. Imagine the outcry if that had happened today! It’s against the rules to cast a whilte woman as a Chinese man! Although technically Hunt does qualify as a dwarf due to her extremely short stature, but she does not have achondroplasia; i.e., she doesn’t have disproportionately short limbs; she’s just a really, really small person in all proportions.)
https://i.imgur.com/Rl4RD1X.png
Meanwhile–
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kimelsesser/2022/03/17/men-still-get-two-thirds-of-speaking-roles-in-top-grossing-films/
Southwest88, I saw that story on X last night.
He certainly put some skeevy fantasies online, but his outing and subsequent suicide were tragic.
What strikes me about the Pharyngula response (according to your report, I’m not gonna bother reading it for myself) is that they are calling him trans? He did not claim a trans identity.
He apparently cross-dressed sometimes for erotic purposes–in other words, he was an autogynephile who didn’t claim womanhood. But autogynephilia remains Officially Non-existent, so the man must be posthumously transed (and promoted to martyred sainthood.)
While still stealing a nomination from a woman, at least they’re not having to doubly gaslight us into believing, as one would have to for a man in a women’s sports league, that the interloper has absolutely no physiological/biomechanical advantage over women due to being born male. The cheating is not as obvious as being faster, stronger, or bigger-lunged. It’s just the officials in charge of nominations pulling the strings behind the scenes rather than the Tim parading their unfair advatage on the field of play. Women are still losing out and having their noses rubbed in it, but it’s not because this guy crossed some finish line before them. It’s more subjective than that, with no time or weight that can be pointed to in explaining how he’s “better” than the women he’s supplanting.
(At least IMDB gives her cast credit is Elliot Page (as Ellen Page), so they haven’t gone full Stalinist re-write of history. But Eliot Page has no more been nominated for an Oscar than Cailtin Jenner has won the Olympic decathalon.)
Does that mean that Page’s Juno co-star, Michael Cera was (retroactively) performing gay make-out scenes? Does he get to claim to have played a gay character?
But in some quarters, (I’m thinking of the studies in which women speaking ~25% of the time in “meeting” situations was interpreted as being “most of the time.) that 7% and 34% and 35% would be seen as “more than half.” That is, women talking at all is more than their fair share.
If there were an award for men portraying female characters, there are many who could have been nominated, among them Adam Sandler, John Travolta, Tyler Perry, Arsenio Hall, Eddie Murphy, and Alec Guinness. Divine is also on that list, except that some activists would claim that he is “trans” and therefore female, instead of a drag actor.
There are many other men who have pretended to be women in the course of the storyline of the movie, including Dustin Hoffman, Robin Williams, Tony Curtis, and Jack Lemmon. I don’t see a strong distinction between the earlier category and this one, except that it involves men in the story in addition to male actors.
But none of these cases has ever, to my knowledge, been met by shouts that the actor should be nominated as “best actress”. Only when the man involved claims to be a woman in real life.
@sackbut
Dustin Hoffman WAS nominated as Best Actor for his role in Tootsie. And Julie Andrews WAS nominated as Best Actress for her role in Victor/Victoria.
Two crossdressing roles, about as close to modern-day “trans” as you can get. But we always knew what sex everyone was.
I suppose they’ll say it was because the actors themselves weren’t [claiming to be trans members of] the opposite sex. But that’s the funny thing about actors: even if they were, we’d have understood that they were acting.
Just like Linda Hunt was acting when she played that man so well in The Year of Living Dangerously.
Everything’s gone kookoo bananas, I tells ya!
If he wins over Sarah Lancashire it will be a travesty. But, being in the race probably means he will win by default.
Lady Mondegreen @6, I recall seeing research similar to that previously – it also mentioned that of films where a major character was a women, they nearly always got substantially fewer lines than male characters.
Over the weekend my partner was watching a long video that was a recording of a Zoom call from back in the early days of the pandemic. Three researchers were presenting their findings on a particular topic. Being the early days of such presentations I guess they were all finding their way, but my partner was pretty irate that the 60-70 year old male was controlling the slide deck they were all talking to. He spoke over the top of the younger female researcher, kept cutting her short, and rushed through her slide deck. Then spoke at length to his own slide deck, fully exploring the breadth of the topic each slide presented. Are any of us surprised at this sort of thing?
“There are many other men who have pretended to be women in the course of the storyline of the movie,”
Don’t forget to add Bugs Bunny to that list ;)
Elmer Fudd too.
Moe, Larry, Shemp, Curly,…
members of Monty Python
Yes, there are many. There are also quite a few instances where an actor (male) portrayed a character who was female in the story, rather than portraying a man who pretended to be a woman in the story. John Travolta portrayed Edna Turnblad in Hairspray, and was nominated for a Golden Globe: Best Supporting Actor. Not Actress, despite the fact that the character is unequivocally female. Apparently the fact that Travolta was not pretending to be a woman in his daily life was relevant; or perhaps the fact that he wasn’t actually a woman was the relevant part.
Just like Linda Hunt won the Oscar for Best Supporting Actress despite the fact that her character was unequivocally male. They knew what sex everyone was.
For amusement, here is the Wikipedia article on cross-gender acting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-gender_acting
They knew what sex everyone was – funny how normal that used to be, isn’t it.
When Divine played Edna Turnblad in the original Hairspray, people knew he was a man. He also played another character, a man, who was the owner of something – amusement park? club? I forget what.