This is very telling.
No of course we wouldn’t piss on a trans person’s car, not even if the person were a man. We talk, we write, we wear T shirts with slogans on them. We don’t piss on cars or pour soup over people or fracture the skulls of elderly women. We’re profoundly irritated, but we’re otherwise normal. Team Give Me Whatever I Demand, not so much.
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That needs to be on a T-shirt: Profoundly irritated, but otherwise normal.
Well put. Even if such behavior was generalized, “other people could do it too” is a stunningly poor excuse. It requires absolutely no thought or insight about the actual aggression that occured, and puts the blame on the other party for being the victim.
On the other hand, I’m not sure I agree that this constitutes “male behaviour.” I agree it’s more plausible that ectovehicular urination would be performed by a male, both for social and corporal reasons, but I think that categorizing the act as being specifically “male” (by opposition to “female”) feeds into dubious ideas of intrinsicness. This wouldn’t strike me as much if the act was more typical – rape, for instance, may very well be described as “male behaviour” – but I’m fairly sure that passing water on a car is something the vast, vast majority of humanity never does, regardless of sex.
Staniland likely just meant that the profanation was linked to male entitlement; I can certainly concur with that. But it ends up sounding like if it would be reproachable for a woman to act in this way because it’s a *male* way of acting, and so it’s improper for *women* to do it. I think I’m just reading too much into it.
What is ManchesterSalfordLGBTQ talking about or responding to? Did some trans identifying man pee all over a woman’s car because she knows he’s a man?
It was part of a thread discussing a short video, in which a trans woman vents and then physically expresses his objection to the workplace toilet policy (a single ‘gender neutral’ room rather than separate rooms for men and women)… by pissing on a the car of one of the workplace bosses. The defenders of the clip call it ‘defiance’ against the policy, but that flies in the face of the stated intent of the actual character in the actual clip: marking territory like a cat.
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Also notable is the reasoning for the trans woman’s objection to the policy:
[upon discovering the gender neutral toilets had replaced the women’s]: “Brilliant! What else are they going to take away from me? If I wanted to shit next to a man, I’d have kept my big transgender mouth shut.”
He gets to object to having combined facilities, but women don’t and for the most facile of reasons: he may be male, but he calls himself a woman. The solution to his discomfort is therefore simple, according to his own logic: declare that all men are temporarily to be considered women while in the toilets.
Also notice, take away from me. The narcissism is so blatant it feels like a physical slap.
You need to get out more. ;-)
Where I come from, this is considered a valid way of expressing one’s maleness, and one’s indignation with….whatever said male is indignant about. It is also, in my humble opinion, part of a genuine ‘pissing contest’ in the battle of the sexes. It points to something that is physically difficult (though not impossible) for women to do, and that men can just open their fly and let it…fly…while women have to strip their pants down and get into a vulnerable position to urinate…something considered as making one inferior.
Marking territory is a male behavior across species.
iknklast’s post gives me the excuse for posting something that I didn’t want to wait for a more appropriate moment, by which time I will have forgotten. Juvamine is a health product that is frequently advertised on French television (several times every day). The woman presenting it at the moment is wearing a T-shirt that looks remarkably like an LGBTQ+ T-shirt. I’d show you an image if I could find one, but at present I can’t. I think it’s probably based on the logo of the company (https://www.juvamine.com/), so maybe it’s just a coincidence and has nothing to do with The Most Important Issue of Our Time.
It is physically impossible for women to aim their piss. It’s the ability to aim it that makes it a distinctly male way to express contempt and domination. Shorter: men have the hose, women don’t. It puts the lotion on its skin or it gets the hose.
So expressions like “piss on it” or “taking the piss” or “pissing in the wind” literally come from male behavior. I never noticed that before.
Heh. Girls notice it, I promise you.
And then there’s the showing off. “Look! I can write in the snow!”
I have heard college guys bragging about that.
Reminds me of the time I saw a fly embedded in the porcelain of a men’s urinal, and after some research, found that it’s there to prevent men from pissing on the floor. Apparently the target works, but I’m not sure how they determined that. Maybe from the amount of urine on the floor before and after?
I guess it’s a thing, but I’ve only seen one or two.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urinal_target
iknklast, #5: …Oh, my. I’m sorry, I’m afraid I had somehow never encountered this particular practice; thank you for setting me straight. I’d say in humans it’s not so much “marking territory” as it is just being vulgar; it’s not the same as when a dog does it. Dogs have a decent excuse.
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My point was not that women and men have the same potential to urinate on cars – evidently not – but rather that men’s potential to do it is low enough (or so I believed) that it’s not a markedly male thing to do. In the same way, urinating on an archery target would be much easier for a man and I can see how such an act would have a negative connotation towards women, but it’s probably a very atypical practice overall. (I do hope nobody will correct me on this.) Conversely, writing in the snow and its underlying message are sadly widespread.
There are plenty of public urinals with a target or fly embedded in them in Japanese cities, as well as in department stores & restaurants. Not that it seems to help very much, particularly in the late evening, when well oiled gentlemen, fresh from a bar, scramble for a quick pee before getting on the train home.
I came for the intelligent discussions, but I stayed for the advice on pissing while drunk.
Sorry, Rob! I shouldn’t have mentioned it! But I’m glad you stayed to the messy end.
Men may hit the target quite well, but the splatter from the force of their stream is probably what leads to the mess created. The only wat to fix this problem (and the problem of men putting paper into the urinals after they wipe!) is to normalize sitting down to pee.
Men don’t intend to spatter, we just don’t think to wipe up after ourselves and need signs telling us to wash our hands aferwards.
@Mosnae,
Saying something is “a male thing” can be interpreted in a couple of different ways. For example, it’s fair to say that the vast majority of men don’t commit murder, so in that sense murder isn’t a male thing. But on the other hand, the vast majority of murders are committed by men, so in that sense it is a male thing. I’d say pissing on cars falls into the latter category.
Not to brag, but not only can I write my name in the snow, I write it in Carolingian Miniscule.
lol
I wonder if the concept of writing one’s name in the snow exists in cultures with more complicated scripts.
What a Maroon, #18 :
Yes, if there’s a well-established tendency, fair enough.
Heh yes let’s see ya write Chinese characters with your piss. We’ll wait.