Not altogether persuasive

God chat at the Atlantic:

Though I continued to attend church as usual, I privately wondered whether the entire enterprise might be rooted in nothing more than a misunderstanding.

This steady diminishing of faith probably would have continued indefinitely, were it not for one brisk autumn afternoon in 2011 when, standing alone at a bus stop, I happened to witness the presence of God.

The unevenly paved lane where I waited was a quiet one-way street tucked away in a clutch of trees. I gazed down the road, preoccupied with other things—midterm exams, campus-club minutiae—and expecting the bus to trundle around the bend. A sudden icy wind tore around the corner instead, sweeping into gray branches and climbing ivy to send a spray of golden birch leaves spiraling into the sky, taking my breath along with them. And I knew that my soul was bared to something indescribably majestic and bracing—something that overwhelmed me with the unmistakable sensation of eye contact. What I saw, I felt, also saw me.

Hmm. Gonna hafta question that “unmistakable” there. I think the sensation was indeed mistakable. Don’t get me wrong, I think the sensation itself is glorious, it’s just interpreting that form of glorious as unmistakable eye contact that I dispute. Be cautious when people sneak in an “unmistakable” where it doesn’t belong.

But that’s not my real issue with this piece.

The latest evidence suggests that God most likely exists, argues a big recent book by Michel-Yves Bolloré, a computer engineer, and Olivier Bonnassies, a Catholic author. Tracts that aim to prove the reality of God are hardly novel. What makes this endeavor unique, say the French writers behind God, The Science, the Evidence: The Dawn of a Revolution, is the scientific nature of their work. Medieval monks toiling away at poetic meditations on the divine have their place, the authors allow, but their own arguments are meant to surpass mere abstract justifications for belief. Instead they assert that cutting-edge empirical proof observable in the natural world makes a firm case for God.

But what is God? How is that short word being defined?

Many sentences later:

The route to durable faith in God often runs not through logical proofs or the sciences, but through awe, wonder, and an attunement to the beauty and poetry of the world, natural and otherwise.

But what is “God”? It still hasn’t been defined, which surely makes it laughably easy to “believe” in it without having to give any reasons at all.

After that brisk autumn afternoon, life went on unremarkably, though I continued to mull over what the experience could mean. That it meant something at all was another strong intuition that I could not entirely account for. There were plenty of ordinary and dismissive explanations for what had happened, all related to the vagaries of the brain. Surely I had just been tired, bleary-eyed, suggestible, available—highly sensitized, in other words, to typical seasonal splendor. That made sense to me, but I didn’t believe it. The natural beauty wasn’t the cause of what I had felt, but rather an invitation to pay attention to what I felt.

But what does that have to do with “God”? What, exactly, is this God? A person who drifts around the planet shaking trees as invitations to other people to…pay attention to what they feel?

It’s nicely written enough but it’s piffle.

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8 responses to “Not altogether persuasive”

  1. Artymorty Avatar

    Descriptions of “gender euphoria” are strikingly similar to descriptions of religious transcendence. They’re both clearly effects of chemicals in the brain, and not transmissions from God or the universe to our supposed souls. It’s amazing that so many ‘professional” atheists and skeptics failed to make the connection.

  2. Mosnae Avatar

    An acquaintance of mine has a “scientific” explanation for ghosts: no, the spirits of the dead can’t actually appear to us. Rather, they alter our brain chemicals to cause us to hallucinate that we’re seeing them.

    Of course, if ghosts have that kind of power, I’m not sure why the convolution would be necessary. But it sounds very science-y, doesn’t it?

  3. Your Name's not Bruce? Avatar
    Your Name’s not Bruce?

    Ah, for the good old days before Trump and genderism. How refreshingly quaint this post feels in the midst of our current Orwellian/Kafkaesque nightmare.

    But what is “God”? It still hasn’t been defined, which surely makes it laughably easy to “believe” in it without having to give any reasons at all.

    Good luck with that. Even with a definition, they still have to make god “work” within the world. Einstein built on Newton, and accounted for the special cases where Newtonian mechanics breaks down. Gods don’t build on anything. The “gaps” they have been relegated to filling are getting smaller and smaller; most have disappeared altogether. Leplace got it right two centuries ago: we have no need of that hypothesis. Gods aren’t needed for special cases, but they do require special pleading.

    If you’re going to claim that a god or gods exist, it can’t come down to “personal experience” or “revelation” that might be as easily explained as the result of “an undigested bit of beef, a blot of mustard, a crumb of cheese, a fragment of an underdone potato.” Or just plain old fraud and confidence tricks. You can “believe” whatever you like, but if you want to prove your diety exists, it has to show up. “Faith” is just the excuse that’s trotted out when it doesn’t. A being that is supposed to actually exist should be discernible and discoverable by means of neutral, impartial investigation. Real phenomena exist whether anyone “believes” in them or not. “Belief” or “faith” alone doesn’t do the trick either. You can’t even rely on the placebo effect to dig a hole or fly an airplane. You have to roll up your sleeves and get a shovel; you have to climb aboard the plane, start the engines, and pilot the aircraft. Faith doesn’t do it. Wishing doesn’t do it. You have to do the actual work, or nothing happens. So does a purported god. If you want to your say god did something, you have to be able to explain exactly what and how. You have to catch it in the act. It has to be observed. It can’t cheat. It has to pass convincing tests. You can’t make excuses for it, otherwise your “god” is like the cheeseburger that a Breatharian scarfs down when nobody’s looking.

    Not only that. Calling on the god hypothesis has to explain things better than explanations not relying on it. Occam’s Razor cuts very close. Used properly, there is no stubble for gods to hide behind.

    Holy books are no good, because they all beg the question. You could burn all the physics texts in the world, and the phenomena they explain and demonstrate are all still there to be studied, allowing the books to be rewritten. Burn all the “holy books” and the gods burn with them. Gods are more like unique (but still strictly human) literary and artistic creations, than they are observable facts about the universe. Their distribution and “footprint” on the world, unlike, say the operation of gravity or optics, is patchy and parochial, mapping closely with particular languages and cultures, which suggests a cultural origin rather than a discovery about the facts of the world. If there actually was a class of beings like the hypothesized gods, they should be there for the finding, no books required. You have to run the experiment. You have to find the bits of reality that betray the existence of these entities. Where are the divine footprints, figerprints, and DNA evidence showing that gods exist and act in the world? A nice sunset, or a bunch of whirling leaves in the wind is awfully thin gruel.

    Long before we get to the “Problem of Evil,” proving that gods exist still leaves a huge amount of work to do. You can’t stop once you’ve been able to count the number of angels dancing on the head of that pin, you also have to go into the details of their costume and choreography. You still have to distinguish between monotheism and ploytheism, or even pantheism. So, gods exist. How do you know exactly who you think you’ve been praying to, and show that it was actually these beings answering these prayers, or not, as the case may be.

    Theists have to be able to prove the existence of their particular god, and then prove the links to the particular holy book they claim is its product. Maybe gods exist, but haven’t “written” anything. The writings themselves do not prove any authorship beyond human ones, as their content does not include any “advanced” knowledge of the world inconsistent with the level of knowledge available to humans at the time they were first set down.

    And what about the avenues not taken? Truly omnipotent, omnibenevolent gods would be able to prove their existence in a flash, avoiding all the bloodshed of religious wars, removing all doubt for all. A nice, large-type text saying ‘I AM THAT I AM” spelled out clearly in stars, visible to all, would do the trick nicely. If gods really want us to believe in them, why place obscure ads in the minds and scribblings of backwater goat herders? I would think that a nice, big, celestial billboard would be in their budget. Why not do that? Why make people guess, or worse, make shit up? In the stories told about them gods show themselves. Regularly. Convincingly. Gods aren’t afraid to mess with laws of nature in the stories told about them, so why not mess with them in the material of the Universe itself? “Free will” my ass. The demand for “faith” seems to be a wasteful, pointless digression, when a deity of the capabilities imputed to it could produce evidence of its existence without breaking a sweat, metaphorical or otherwise. What does it mean for “theology” when a schlub like me can come up with an idea that so easily shoots down the existence of an omnipotent, omnibenevolent god? How much “sophisticated” argument has been expended in order to handwave away this fatal objection? What does it say about the god in which they profess to believe, that they would saddle/credit it with such shoddy alibis? “It’s a mystery!. Goddamn right it’s a “mystery.”

  4. iknklast Avatar

    Very good, not Bruce. The arguments they use to ‘prove’ God will ‘prove’ any other god as well. Not to mention, I used it once in a piece of writing to prove the existence of James T. Kirk, Han Solo, Sherlock Holmes, and several others that everyone accepts as fictional characters.

    It’s like genderism; it ‘explains’ everything, meaning it explains nothing.

  5. Ophelia Benson Avatar

    I love this, nB.

    You can “believe” whatever you like, but if you want to prove your deity exists, it has to show up. “Faith” is just the excuse that’s trotted out when it doesn’t.

    Seriously. Why is faith required, anyway? Why doesn’t God just show up? We take the “faith” idea for granted because we’re so used to it, but really, why hide? Why play hide and seek? Why test us? Why appear as a gust of wind through yellow leaves rather than as something a tad more relevant?

    Why? Why? Why? Because none of it is true and this is the lame excuse-making humans resort to.

  6. Your Name's not Bruce? Avatar
    Your Name’s not Bruce?

    Very good, not Bruce.

    I love this, nB.

    Thanks! Sometimes it’s worthwhile to preach to the choir! Helps to keep the claws sharp.

    The arguments they use to ‘prove’ God will ‘prove’ any other god as well.

    Yes, they don’t seem to realize that have to be able to both prove their own god(s), and at the same time debar everyone else’s. Christains’ mental filters might have a Jesus-shaped hole that lets him through exclusively, but logic and reality do not. If you’re going to give Jesus a pass, then expect the Hindu, Norse, and Greek pantheons to tag along for the ride. Sauce for the goose. They’re all equally “real.” How do you accept the supposed resurrection of Jesus as self-evidently true and of cosmic import, while rejecting that of Osiris as ridiculous fantasy? As it has been noted by others, invisible gods look very much like non-existent ones.

  7. Jim Baerg Avatar

    Related: This

    https://lawcomic.net/

    covers a lot of law related topics.

    From this point

    https://lawcomic.net/guide/?p=5255

    on is a discussion about the development from hunter-gatherer societies to agriculture and the origins of both government and religion.

    I’m not sure how much evidence there is for his claims about *early* societies, but it’s an interesting take.

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