Always worse than we know

I never have understood that Trump insult “Sleepy Eyes” that he uses for a particular tv news host. Jim Wright has an explanation.

Another Sunday morning, another attack on the press from the President of the United States.

“Sleepy Eyes Chuck Todd of Fake News NBC just stated that we…”

Wait.

Back up.

Sleepy Eyes?

Sleepy eyes? What? I asked (rhetorically I thought) my audience on Twitter, what does “Sleepy Eyes” even mean as an insult?

Huh?

Sleepy Eyes Chuck of the Fake News? I said, “it’s like he’s tweeting really bad fanfic one line at time. Fifty Shades of Fly Hair Tiny Hands.”

Sleepy eyes.

Ok. Sure.

Except … well, I should have known better. Several readers pointed out that “sleepy eyes” is an anti-Semitic dog-whistle, a racist insult regarding Jews.

And I thought, no, that can’t be … right, can it?

It can. It is. And it’s far worse than that.

I did not know “sleepy eyes” was an anti-Semitic slur.

But it sure didn’t take long to find the truth.

The term’s origin comes from a list of criteria used by Nazi secret police to determine who might be a jew. This list includes traits such as a widow’s peak, dark curly hair, attached earlobes, weak or pointed chins, thick lips with a commonly protruding lower lip, head shape including a low sloped forehead and high flat back of skull … and thick eyelids giving a wary expression of “sleepy, untrustworthy eyes.”

This list was promulgated to the German population via the Gestapo and other Nazi authorities, and commonly used to identify suspected Jews for arrest and removal.

After WWII and the Nazi’s defeat, that list naturally found it’s way to various neo-Nazi, White Supremacist, and other anti-Semitic groups.

“How to spot a jew” is a common search phrase on Google, and the results are hundreds of variations on this list of Nazi-originated criteria.

Chuck Todd is Jewish, a fact that Trump most certainly knows.

It is unlikely in the extreme that Trump would pick “sleepy eyes Chuck Todd” as an insult at random and without malice aforethought.

While Trump himself may or may not know the origin of the insult and who commonly uses that slur today, it’s obvious he surrounds himself with people who use this term openly in the halls of government and business and who DO know what the phrase means and how it is intended.

So that’s interesting. I had no idea.

Do his eyes look especially sleepy?

Image result for chuck todd

I’m gonna go with “no.” They’re just eyes. They’re in his face. His face isn’t completely flat – but then whose face is? His eyes are set in his head, the way everyone’s eyes are. They don’t look any sleepier than anyone else’s that I can see. So yes, I think Jim Wright’s explanation makes sense.

And how utterly fucking disgusting it is.

Comments

36 responses to “Always worse than we know”

  1. Omar Avatar

    I’m gonna go with “no.” They’re just eyes. They’re in his face. His face isn’t completely flat – but then whose face is? His eyes are set in his head, the way everyone’s eyes are. They don’t look any sleepier than anyone else’s that I can see. So yes, I think Jim Wright’s explanation makes sense.

    OB: Who gives a damn what he looks like?

    Even without the antisemitic subtext, it is childish in the extreme. The President of the United States is behaving as an overgrown kid, with a brain to match.

    Were he a British or an Australian prime minister, this sort of thing would start processes going for a no-confidence vote in cabinet or parliament, and he would be out on his ear.

    In America, it will probably take a bit longer.

  2. iknklast Avatar

    Who gives a damn what he looks like

    Trump. Trump who picks people for office based on if they look the part. Based on his idea of what Central Casting would send out for a National Security Advisor – a Secretary of Education – a general.

  3. Gary Avatar

    I googled it and there’s literally no mention of this anywhere. Are you people seriously just making shit up because it’s convenient?

  4. Ophelia Benson Avatar

    Omar…I know that. Of course it doesn’t matter what he looks like. I’ve written about the stupid “Sleepy Eyes” insult before. Since I’d written about it before and this was new information to me, I decided to start with the literal aspect of the insult, to point out that it doesn’t make sense on that level, before going on to say there’s an explanation for that.

  5. Ophelia Benson Avatar

    I mean did you actually think I was saying it would be cool to call him that if he actually did have “sleepy eyes”?

  6. Rrr Avatar

    And this from the Don of the Kriminal Kike Klan? (Not sure the terms are Kuite Kosher, but if the shoe fits.)

  7. Ophelia Benson Avatar

    Gary – oh really? You Googled it and got nothing? You must be using a very broken Google.

  8. Omar Avatar

    OB:

    I mean did you actually think I was saying it would be cool to call him that if he actually did have “sleepy eyes”?

    Not at all.

    Trump: “Sleepy Eyes Chuck Todd of Fake News NBC…”

    Jim Wright: ‘Sleepy Eyes’ is an antisemitic slur…

    OB: They don’t look any sleepier than anyone else’s that I can see. So yes, I think Jim Wright’s explanation makes sense. And how utterly fucking disgusting it is.

    I don’t take your comment there as an endorsement of Trump or of his decision to come out as an anti-semite. Quite the opposite. Even if Chuck Todd had some grizzly bear genes, had just come out of winter hibernation, and looked as sleepy as all-get-out, it would make no difference at all to the intent of Trump’s remark. President Pussygrabber can be safely assumed NOT to have been talking about Todd’s physical appearance. IMHO his dog-whistling has reached a new low, but I would guess he is still well above the lowest of his possibilities.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/03/how-to-understand-anti-semitism-in-trumps-america.html

  9. Silentbob Avatar

    @ 3 Gary

    No, these people aren’t. It took me like a couple of minutes:

    There are several types of Jewish eyes: The lizard-like Asiatic eyes, as seen in the photos directly below, the pop eyes and the sleepy and sometimes bulging eyes, the sad sack eyes.

    gentilenation.com/uploads/3/1/0/2/31022531/how_to_recognize_and_identify_a_jew_-_part_1.pdf

    See page 19 of above for “The Jewish ‘Sleepy-eye’”.

    From “How to Recognize a Jew”:

    8. Thick eyelids: The Jews’ eyelids are mostly thicker and more fleshy than ours. Their look is wary and piercing. One can tell from the eyes that the Jews are a deceitful people.

    shadowmasterminds.wordpress.com/how-to-recognize-a-jew/

    You have to copy paste the links, I’m not hard linking that shit.

    Now I have to go take a shower. You’re welcome.

  10. Silentbob Avatar

    Also, lest we forget:

    Such concerns had arisen in response to previous Trump tweets. For instance, Trump twice retweeted from the feed of the Twitter account @WhiteGenocideTM, which claims to be located in “Jewmerica” and regularly posts anti-Semitic material, and once from the now-defunct account @cheesedbrit, which had an account page that featured Swastika art and said in part, “we Should have listened to the Austrian chap with the little moustache” — that is, Adolf Hitler. And Trump also attracted criticism when he initially said he didn’t know who former KKK leader David Duke was.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/jul/05/donald-trumps-star-david-tweet-recap/

  11. Acolyte of Sagan Avatar
    Acolyte of Sagan

    I wonder if Trumpy was extra grumpy on Sunday because Melania sat with the Obamas at the funeral, and looked more relaxed and happy than she’s looked since….well actually, I haven’t seen pictures of her looking so at ease since Trump announced he was running for the presidency.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/shortcuts/2018/apr/23/why-are-the-bushes-clintons-obamas-and-melania-smiling-so-broadly-at-a-funeral

    The header photo for that article will certainly NOT be hanging on the Oval Office wall any time soon.

  12. Jo Avatar

    http://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/story3.htm This seems to be the “source” for these baseless claims (aside from Twitter). The word “sleepy” does not even appear. Rather, it says “The Jewish look is wary and piercing.”

  13. Jo Avatar

    Can someone please provide me a link to an actual source showing this is a slur? Neither I nor anyone else has heard it before and the only articles that come up are gossip sites like EW and blogs like this. Absolutely nothing before Trump used the term seems to exist, so it really appears to be a made-up accusation.

  14. Rob Avatar

    Well Ophelia, we’re all waiting for you to provide those non-existent google links.

    Gary is right. There’s literally nothing on google that wasn’t written this week (like this page).

  15. JeffK627 Avatar

    Help! I’ve googled “sleepy eyes”, “anti-semitic”, “how to spot a jew” and some other variations, and I can’t find a primary source for this, just articles that link back to here and to Jim Wright’s tweets. I need to be able to defend this claim when alt-righters challenge it, where did you find the scholarly research/articles about it?

  16. Ophelia Benson Avatar

    Are Russian bots taking the trouble to troll B&W now?

  17. Gabrielle Avatar

    Ophelia: I too have tried to find any mention of a primary source as “sleepy eyes” being a racial slur that has been posted prior to this week. I even used google translate to translate “sleepy eyes” into German and threw it into Google with the keyword “Nazi” (since German websites probably would have the most sources). I’ve come up with nothing.

    So the next step was to find a researcher who specialises in either German, a German person, or a Holocaust researcher (I work at a university). I asked around. They all looked puzzled and told me they’d never heard of it.

    I then asked a few friends who are Jewish. They’d never heard of it either. One even asked his 90+ year old grandmother from New York. She’d never heard of it either.

    So it might be a slur, but it’s definitely one that most people don’t know about. So the people here asking “I want sources” are well-justified.

  18. Ophelia Benson Avatar

    It’s not so much that asking for sources is not justified – it’s the sudden appearance of all these first-time commenters all saying the same thing. That spells “bot” to me.

  19. Kevin Kirkpatrick Avatar
    Kevin Kirkpatrick

    I googled it and there’s literally no mention of this anywhere. Are you people seriously just making shit up because it’s convenient?

    Maybe “Gary” is a regular and I’m out of line here. But this retort in particular just oozes “bot”. It could be an inflammatory response to literally ANYTHING the preceding blog/comments addressed.

    @Gary, a cheap bot would not know how to string together the trailling letter of each word of my 2end sntnc. Can you?

  20. Screechy Monkey Avatar
    Screechy Monkey

    Polly-O also wants a citation!

    Ophelia — don’t know if you really want to include a link to Stormfront on your site, but here’s a 2013 thread titled “How to Spot a Jew” that includes “sleepy eyes”:

    https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t954184-2/

    Took me all of 5 minutes to find on Google (hint to all our “new” commenters”): try searches that exclude “chuck todd” and you’ll avoid most of the flood of new references.

  21. Rob Avatar

    Screechy beat me to it. Mostly because I had to stop and scrub my eyes, hands and brain after reading the first two pages of that thread.

    A casual google comes up with plenty of white nationalist and 1930/40’s Nazi discussion around ‘jewish’ characteristics and sleepy/droopy/lazy eyes are frequently there on the lists and part of the discussion. This may not be part of ‘common’ societal speech, but it’s clearly a strong feature of that particular subset of society. The fact that a mainstream politician, let alone the President, is using such a phrase for anything other than castigating the racist shits is deeply concerning. Especially so since Chuck Todd does not have especially sleepy eyes.

  22. Ophelia Benson Avatar

    Kevin @ 20, nope, Gary is the opposite of a regular; Gary’s was one of those first-time commenters I mentioned – as Screechy says, they’re all agreeing with Polly-O. The others: Jo @ 13 and 14, JeffK627 @ 16, Gabrielle @ 18.

  23. Rob Avatar

    Where do the IP’s trace back to? Any of the known blocks used by trolls?

  24. Ophelia Benson Avatar

    Do I believe Gabrielle sought out “a researcher”? Do I believe she works at a university? Do I believe she “asked around”? Do I believe “they all looked puzzled”? Do I believe she “then asked a few friends who are Jewish”? Do I believe “one even asked his 90+ year old grandmother from New York”?

    Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. I don’t believe a single one of those claims. They all sound very Wally Smith.

  25. Ophelia Benson Avatar

    I haven’t bothered checking the IPs because I assume they’re masking the real ones.

  26. Ophelia Benson Avatar

    Fakers have gotten more sophisticated since Wally’s heyday.

  27. Your Name's not Bruce? Avatar
    Your Name’s not Bruce?

    Not that Trump needs any help being a racist asshole, but I wonder if this particular epithet was suggested to him. Not that I want to give him the benefit of the doubt; far from it. I just think he’s too dim and lazy to have come up with this on his own. I can’t imagine him coming across this or remembering it from primary sources. Most of his name-calling seems just so childish; even “Pochahontas” is likely stretching for the only Native American women he (or his audience) is likely to know. I just don’t see him being capable of (for him) such under-the-radar subtlety without help or prompting. Otherwise, this looks too much like work for Trump to have done it on his own. I’m thinking it was presented to him by someone more widely read in these things. Did someone on Fox use this phrase recently…?

    And the visiting bots have now established for themselves the “fact” that there is no historical basis for this usage whatsoever. I wonder if any other blogs discussing this (assuming there are any others at all) have been similarly bombed with this new “fact” , planting seeds of doubt in unwary minds.

  28. John Avatar

    Trump has a Jewish son-in-law, three Jewish grandkids and a daughter who converted to Judaism.

    If Chuck Todd looks anything, he looks dopey.

    Perhaps Trump meant ‘dopey-eyed’ instead.

  29. Ophelia Benson Avatar

    Yes, I know, John. I think we’re all well aware of Trump’s Jewish son-in-law. If you think that’s a slam dunk “Trump cannot be anti-Semitic” you’re clueless.

  30. Ophelia Benson Avatar

    Also I note the charming effect of your assisting Trump in insulting a random tv journalist by attacking his looks. Why? Anyone Trump hates you hate too? Just general malice and aggro?

    Notice you’re not vulnerable to snotty attacks on your appearance, because we don’t know what you look like. We can see your personality though. It’s something worse than “dopey.”

  31. Ophelia Benson Avatar

    And in fact, I don’t think I can take any more of your poison here. I think this is goodbye.

  32. Acolyte of Sagan Avatar
    Acolyte of Sagan

    The thing that really amuses me about the Trump defence team that’s swooped in here is the very idea that anybody needs to invent reasons to make Trump look bad. This is just the latest example in a very long line of examples of Trump showing Trump to be a complete arse.

  33. Lady Mondegreen Avatar
    Lady Mondegreen

    YNNB

    I’m thinking it was presented to him by someone more widely read in these things. Did someone on Fox use this phrase recently…?

    Could have picked it up from Steve Bannon. Or one of his other pals.

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/08/14/donald_trump_s_ties_to_alt_right_white_supremacists_are_extensive.html

  34. Rrr Avatar

    Lady M, Bannon holds low odds (high prob.) for the role of souffleur here. He was competing hard with the Jared for the position of holding the Ear of Pig, and lost and left, but stayed in touch presumably. Bannon is a sly, vengeful guy with dark agendas. He had a few fingers in the failed Ecosphere 2 experiment, if you recall.

  35. Your Name's not Bruce? Avatar
    Your Name’s not Bruce?

    Lady M; that make’s sense.