Shame not the kink

It turns out that what Louis CK did was a kink.

It’s kink-shaming and mainstream (not in a good way) to say that a powerful man shouldn’t trap two less-powerful women in his hotel room and masturbate in front of them.

It’s complex, you see. We have to slow down and take a deep breath and pause to admire the complexity of Louis CK’s kink and the way he trapped two women into doing the watching for him.

I’ve also seen vehement, even angry claims that choking (aka erotic asphyxiation) is a kink and that calling men choking women during sex “violent” or “dangerous” is kink-shaming.

People are weird.

Comments

8 responses to “Shame not the kink”

  1. NinetyEight Avatar

    Is the point she is trying to make that abuse of power to get vanilla sex is less harshly judged than abuse of power to get kinky sex? That is probably true but “abuse of power to get sex” is the major point on which to focus.

  2. Ophelia Benson Avatar

    I don’t think that’s the point she’s trying to make, at least not the whole of it.

  3. learie Avatar

    Once none of us are embarrassed or guilty about kink, won’t it then be straight and vanilla?

    There’s kink, which involves sex between two consenting adults: and there’s sexual assault, under which category falls flashing. Heidi wins the trophy for Worst Apologist for Rapey Behaviour In Men.

    Seriously, what next? Rape is kink?

  4. Acolyte of Sagan Avatar
    Acolyte of Sagan

    Heidi Matthews is a professor of law who doesn’t understand consent.

  5. Rob Avatar

    Hmmm, it does seem a basic sort of mistake, but then if the President can get that wrong, I’m sure anyone can.

    I note Matthews is a co-director of the Nathanson Centre. The Nathanson Centre twitter account replied to a challenge about Matthews views on consent/kink, directing to an example of her ‘scholarship’ on the issue. This was actually an article published in a non-academic online magazine. The bar for scholarship seems to have got lower since I left the research/academia field. Of course, who holds the keys to the Nathanson Centre twitter account and who posted the tweet is unknown. It could very well be Matthews herself, a friend, or an employee. Not what I would describe as meaningful defence.

    I’m with learie. Next stop is Slave Girls of Gor.

  6. Ophelia Benson Avatar

    Wow, so they did.

    https://twitter.com/NathansonCentre/status/1144356555799846912

    If you are interested in Professor Matthews’ scholarship you can read her here: https://www.google.com/amp/s/aeon.co/amp/ideas/how-do-we-understand-sexual-pleasure-in-this-age-of-consent

    We’d also recommend Professor Fischel’s work (@YaleLawSch): https://www.google.com/amp/s/aeon.co/amp/ideas/what-do-we-consent-to-when-we-consent-to-sex

    Replying to

    Am I really to understand that a professor of LAW and a director of a HUMAN RIGHTS center can’t grasp the difference between kink shaming and sexual harassment? This is truly worrisome @OsgoodeNews @NathansonCentre

    The centre has two directors, Matthews being one. It could be that that’s the whole of the Nathanson Centre.

  7. iknklast Avatar

    Wow. I read that second article, Professor Fischel’s, and it is a doozy. I think I need to go have a wash.

    I noticed this particularly:

    When it comes to sex, there should be no legally actionable way to answer the question: ‘Are you a man?’ Is gender a matter of genitals, hormones, chromosomes, secondary sex characteristics, social inequality or self-identification? The law cannot bring any clear answer to this question.

    Start out with sex, switch to gender, make an unsupported statement at the end – standard tactics. Why should there be no legally actionable way to determine sex? That is a biological reality.

    As for “The law cannot bring any answer to this question”, the author presented no evidence to support this. So, ask a couple of questions that go unanswered, then draw a conclusion based on nothing other than trying to confuse the reader into thinking you’ve said something deep and meaningful.

    And this claim that the TERFs are the ones who conflate sex and gender – that quoted passage above is where sex and gender is conflated, not here on B&W.

  8. Ophelia Benson Avatar

    Lordy lordy, what a world.